Looks a lot like razzle-dazzle, circa 1914.
New fighter jet camouflage schemes
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Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that most of the camouflage is to hide the airplane from humans on the ground. I would also guess an airplane providing support for ground troops would likely get shot at. They would paint a fake canopy on the underside of the Warthog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnielee/4105880397/ . This was to make it hard to tell which way the airplane was turning.
It might be for take-off and landing too when the planes without typical near-ground combat are now extremely vulnerable. The Warthogs are unbelievably built to go through hell and back, an F-15 not so much. > They would paint a fake canopy on the underside of the Warthog I'd just hate that someone painted my exact location on the bottom of my plane so the enemy knows exactly where I'm sitting so they know exactly wh…
The underside of the cockpit is probably the best area to get shot at in an A-10. It's heavily armored, so the pilot is safe, and there are fewer important parts to break there as compared to being shot farther back.
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that most of the camouflage is to hide the airplane from humans on the ground. I would also guess an airplane providing support for ground troops would likely get shot at. They would paint a fake canopy on the underside of the Warthog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnielee/4105880397/ . This was to make it hard to tell which way the airplane was turning.
It might be for take-off and landing too when the planes without typical near-ground combat are now extremely vulnerable. The Warthogs are unbelievably built to go through hell and back, an F-15 not so much. > They would paint a fake canopy on the underside of the Warthog I'd just hate that someone painted my exact location on the bottom of my plane so the enemy knows exactly where I'm sitting so they know exactly wh…
Premature optimization. Shooting an aircraft is kind of like shooting a duck, it's moving fast and hard to hit at all. If you can make it hard to estimate your direction and speed it helps you out a lot.
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#44Does camouflage really helps in modern air combat? Aircrafts engage each other mostly on beyond visual range distances, and dogfighting in kinda rare now. Also, HUDs should assist in tracking of targets and highlight them, so camo will make no difference. The only use for camo I can think of is to hide the aircraft while it's stationed on the airstrip - in a relatively vulnerable position.
All planes I've seen in operation whether in Afghanistan or in Lybia no longer have camo (I'm french and this is valid only for Rafale but I'm curious if in other countries planes are still using camo in operations)
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#45But that's just a bunch of photos. Where's the article, and what's the science behind these?
Read these with a grain of salt but this guy provides some insight into the design process for these patterns:
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#46Does camouflage really helps in modern air combat? Aircrafts engage each other mostly on beyond visual range distances, and dogfighting in kinda rare now. Also, HUDs should assist in tracking of targets and highlight them, so camo will make no difference. The only use for camo I can think of is to hide the aircraft while it's stationed on the airstrip - in a relatively vulnerable position.
Modern fighter jets give pilots helmets which contain a 360 degree view of the battlefield to show them where the airplanes are. The computers which acquire the location of the other airplanes use radar and visual spectrum. What other way can the human or computer find out position direction and velocity of enemy jets who jam radar and camouflage themselves? History channel has some modern Pilots talking about dogfig…
What other way can the human or computer find out position direction and velocity of enemy jets who jam radar and camouflage themselves?
Heat and contrail's.
Also, I suspect the best solution to deal with advancing US warplanes is simply a vary large low cost drone fleet. Picture that fight but replace the second squad with 10,000 drones each of which has a single air to air or air to ground missile. They don't even need to use radar with enough eyes you can just triangulate position's and distance.
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#47Does camouflage really helps in modern air combat? Aircrafts engage each other mostly on beyond visual range distances, and dogfighting in kinda rare now. Also, HUDs should assist in tracking of targets and highlight them, so camo will make no difference. The only use for camo I can think of is to hide the aircraft while it's stationed on the airstrip - in a relatively vulnerable position.
Rules of engagement may force the use of close-in air combat maneuvering (ACM). During the Vietnam War, the US had more advanced, long range missiles but political considerations forced the pilots to visually identify targets before firing.
Also, against a technically sophisticated adversary such as the Russians or Chinese, the initial exchange of beyond visual range (BVR) missiles will most likely leave a number of aircraft alive. The Russian have the PAK FA stealth fighter in development and the Chinese J-37 stealth fighter had it's maiden flight last year. Stealth technology only makes it more likely that more aircraft survive the first volley. At typical combined closure speeds, there will be only one BVR exchange before ACM begins.
It's also very dangerous to be flying around the battlefield with your radar turned on as everyone else will immediately detect it and mark you as a target as you broadcast your range, speed, and bearing to the world. Typically target acquisition is by other means, such as AWACs aircraft or ground control that guides you into a high Probability Kill (PK) position.
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#48This is a pretty old idea however not applied to aircraft, it was used on ships in WW1 and WW2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
Why did I never see this in movies?
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#49But that's just a bunch of photos. Where's the article, and what's the science behind these?
Re: New fighter jet camouflage schemes
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Modern fighter jets give pilots helmets which contain a 360 degree view of the battlefield to show them where the airplanes are. The computers which acquire the location of the other airplanes use radar and visual spectrum. What other way can the human or computer find out position direction and velocity of enemy jets who jam radar and camouflage themselves? History channel has some modern Pilots talking about dogfig…
What other way can the human or computer find out position direction and velocity of enemy jets who jam radar and camouflage themselves? Heat and contrail's. Also, I suspect the best solution to deal with advancing US warplanes is simply a vary large low cost drone fleet. Picture that fight but replace the second squad with 10,000 drones each of which has a single air to air or air to ground missile. They don't even…
> Heat and contrail's.
Stealthy aircraft (i.e. virtually every fighter in development by Russia, China, or the West) are specifically designed to mask their heat signature, and contrails are solved by changing altitude.