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Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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Post by pixl97 »

Ancapistani wrote: post #367
pixl97 wrote: post #361

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This argument makes no sense to you because you refuse to accept pollution at scale exists... Already you're bitching about "omg its so easy for other people to practically end my life by messing up the tenuous balance I have between getting fresh water and the flow of untreated shit I produce" Yea, this is easy when there is a few people working with plentiful water resources then it all works fine. When lots of peo…

Have you lived in these situation? I have, and I don’t share your view.

Not to be too snippy here, but I'm not sure you could possibly imagine anyone elses view but your own at this point... Start iterating over dozens of possible positions and you'll see yours is really a more extreme outlier.

And while not Amish myself, I was born in the middle of Amish country and have quite a bit of experience with populations that choose to analyze technologies before they accept them into their lives, and rejecting those they do not like. But the Amish have the same issue, they live in very low density populations. As their populations increase their members tend to leave for modern lives. Trying to live in cities without modern conveniences has lots of issues.

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Post by boeingUH60 »

pixl97 wrote: post #352
BurningFrog wrote: post #343

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Did... an AI write this?

Is it incorrect? Is this the future we are bound to? Anytime someone writes beyond the 5th grade level we accuse the writer of being artificial?

The content truly reads like AI…so bland and full of fluff…worse than a 5th grade level because it takes something that could be stated in one line and stretches it into multiple lines repeating the same idea.

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

xnyan wrote: post #370
s1artibartfast wrote: post #298

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I feel like this is an extremely uncharitable take. Surely you can agree that interdependence is a spectrum, and people can find satisfaction at different levels. At least the newyorker article lays it's objections out clearly. It finds Thoreau repugnant for his libertarian outlook, and even more so when Thoreau comes to agreeable conclusions, but by different means than the author. >"This is not the stuff of a democ…

>I think some people will never understand the desire of others to simply be left alone. Is that what he really wanted thought? Nobody was preventing Thoreau from disappearing into the wilderness. He did not do that because it would have been 1) very difficult and 2) quite dangerous. He was perfectly willing to embrace society when it benefited him personally.

Yeah, I think that is a fair point, and basically the crux of things.

Some people want to engage with society only on their own terms, and to the extent it benefits them.

It it is the case now, as it was then, that social participation is a more of a package deal, not itemized interactions. Some people chafe under this.

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Post by paddim8 »

exDM69 wrote: post #49
pavlov wrote: post #7

If you’re a citizen or legal resident of a Nordic country, you’ll get paid basic subsistence when you have no other income. In Finland this is around 500 euros / month. There are lots of empty houses in the remote countryside in Finland (and I presume the same is true for parts of Sweden and Norway). You can probably rent something for next to nothing, or even make a deal with the owner to stay for free in exchange f…

Owning a property comes with property taxes. And will make you ineligible for a lot of the benefits. And speaking of said benefits, it's a part time job keeping up with the paperwork. And the Nordics are a cold place, you either need to own some forest or pay for firewood and/or electricity or heating oil. Forest property is quite expensive. There's no way you could live in a cheap house in the Nordic countryside for…

Sweden doesn't have property taxes and you can find houses for 10k€.

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Post by Eisenstein »

freedomben wrote: post #340
btbuildem wrote: post #157

OP's premise of "living for free" seems to mean "not pay taxes" and "use what resources are available". I wonder what the motivation is here, I've heard this sentiment expressed many times. It usually seems to imply "away from others". Looking back at the millennia of human history, we've always formed communities, always assumed more-or-less specialized roles, and always used some form of debt to manage the social f…

I think you're conflating community with government. You can have community without government, and government without community. You can be someone who hates government and rejects their authority, who also loves their community and readily admits dependence on them, and this is not contradictory. Voluntary communities and governments exist all the time

What happens when the community wants to build a road, or stop a member from assaulting others, or provide defense against invaders? What would you call the coalition of people who come together in the community and are given the authority to provide such actions?

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Post by xnyan »

Podgajski wrote: post #353
nradov wrote: post #341

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EMF sensitivity is not a real thing, and there is nothing special about 5G radiation. What you actually need is psychological or psychiatric treatment.

It is real, for me. I’m not going to debate you on this topic because I’ve tested it every way I can to rule out placebo. I am not woo woo crank and I approached this with skepticism and rigor. But if you want to investigate, more, look at voltage gated calcium ion channels like the l type calcium channels and TRPV1 channels. In my opinion, people who have EHS will have changes in these genes that make them more susc…

Sorry to hear about your health problems, they sound very real to me.

>I’ve tested it every way I can to rule out placebo.

I'm genuinely curious, could you tell me a little more about how you did that?

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Post by Eisenstein »

_8j50 wrote: post #196
btbuildem wrote: post #157

OP's premise of "living for free" seems to mean "not pay taxes" and "use what resources are available". I wonder what the motivation is here, I've heard this sentiment expressed many times. It usually seems to imply "away from others". Looking back at the millennia of human history, we've always formed communities, always assumed more-or-less specialized roles, and always used some form of debt to manage the social f…

Everyone lives in their own world in their mind. A persistent theme I see in society in general is inability to grasp how others could have a completely different perspective and interpretation of anything. That said, OOP's sentiment is largely caused by housing costs across the world. Western society at least is two faced, on one hand liberty of the individual is emphasized but at the same time society is extremely…

> The typical american for example, simply to exist and sustain themselves as an adult has to get a birth certificate ,SSN, fingerprint taken, undergo drivers trainin and exam which involves more data collection, get a drivers license, can't buy a car outright so finance one which involves too much crap to list ...

You literally don't have to do any of that at all.

If you are an American citizen the only way you are going to starve to death or die of medical neglect is if you do it deliberatly.

If you run out of food, just go into a store and take some and eat it. Worst case scenario you end up with free room and board and 3 meals a day until they kick you out and you get to start over again.

Find any somewhat populous city with a temperate climate and you can live 'free' until you die of old age.

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Post by listenallyall »

ryandrake wrote: post #273
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #260

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> Personally, I'd much prefer to live in society, and contribute part of my efforts towards sustaining it. A lot of people are stingy and don't want to contribute unless they're getting the bargain. If someone else is getting the better end of the stick, they view this as a loss, and it makes them miserable. Essentially, they view taxation and society as a zero sum game, rather than a positive sum game. I think polit…

Yea I think we all know That Guy like you describe: I have an acquaintance who is pretty far down this same rabbit hole. Anti-government, anti-taxes, he has actually gone and spoke at some kind of Public Comments thinggy at the county to complain that he should get an itemized tax bill that shows who each dollar is going to, so he can pick and choose and not let a single dollar of "his money" go to someone he thinks…

Fed up with crazy government spending = "not a big believer in society or community"? Have you actually thought this through?

Government spending, especially without oversight, is an extremely inefficient method for "building community". The vast majority of taxes go to enormous, bureaucratic departments or programs with virtually no connection to individual people within one's local sphere.

Donating to, and actively participating in, church, schools, parks, community centers, etc is typically a lot more effective in strengthening a community, and one can easily be anti-taxes and very much pro-community.

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Post by nradov »

Podgajski wrote: post #353
nradov wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EMF sensitivity is not a real thing, and there is nothing special about 5G radiation. What you actually need is psychological or psychiatric treatment.

It is real, for me. I’m not going to debate you on this topic because I’ve tested it every way I can to rule out placebo. I am not woo woo crank and I approached this with skepticism and rigor. But if you want to investigate, more, look at voltage gated calcium ion channels like the l type calcium channels and TRPV1 channels. In my opinion, people who have EHS will have changes in these genes that make them more susc…

If someone put you into a sealed room and then turned a 5G cell phone access point on and off on the other side of the wall you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You are suffering from delusions. If your healthcare providers are telling you anything different then they aren't helping you.
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