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Othello Is Solved?

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For those interested in the game (it's popular among computer science and AI scholars), the Othello world championship is currently underway in Rome, Italy with games live streamed on liveothello.com and Youtube @WorldOthello

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For those interested in the game (it's popular among computer science and AI scholars), the Othello world championship is currently underway in Rome, Italy with games live streamed on liveothello.com and Youtube @WorldOthello

Does this paper render the championship moot? Is any software based on the paper entered?

Is Othello like checkers, where there were mostly draws in high level games?

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Othello is one of those games that works really well for playing with young kids. The rules are simple. There’s patterning to learn. It’s fun to cause massive flips. And best of all, it’s just as fun for the adult as it is the kid.

I’ve found that I can really enjoy myself without crushing my 6yo or it feeling like it’s just a luck-based game.

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For those interested in the game (it's popular among computer science and AI scholars), the Othello world championship is currently underway in Rome, Italy with games live streamed on liveothello.com and Youtube @WorldOthello

Does this paper render the championship moot? Is any software based on the paper entered? Is Othello like checkers, where there were mostly draws in high level games?

Why would it render human games moot? Why would a software participate in a championship?

The draw percentage in checkers/draught and in chess are roughly similar, (anywhere between 50% and 60% at high-level play), despite checkers being solved and chess not.

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post #2

For those interested in the game (it's popular among computer science and AI scholars), the Othello world championship is currently underway in Rome, Italy with games live streamed on liveothello.com and Youtube @WorldOthello

Does this paper render the championship moot? Is any software based on the paper entered? Is Othello like checkers, where there were mostly draws in high level games?

Depends if you like 'solved' games. Are chess tournaments useless if computers are better? https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-will-never-be...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this paper render the championship moot? Is any software based on the paper entered? Is Othello like checkers, where there were mostly draws in high level games?

Why would it render human games moot? Why would a software participate in a championship? The draw percentage in checkers/draught and in chess are roughly similar, (anywhere between 50% and 60% at high-level play), despite checkers being solved and chess not.

Now that Othello is solved, there exist a set of rules a player can follow to guarantee a win or draw every game. It's possible (if unlikely) that a computer could sufficiently compress those rules to be memorizable (and then applicable) by a human.

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One of the first games I've coded as a kid was Othello.

"Othello is now solved, computationally proved that perfect play by both players lead to a draw."

I could never win against my creation :-)

Re: Othello Is Solved?

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> Next, we selected 2,587 positions out of the aforementioned 2,958,551 positions and formulated hypotheses regarding their outcomes. We chose them such that if all these hypotheses were proven correct, it would prove that the initial position results in a draw.

But no elaboration? Sounds to me like the game is not solved, instead the author looked pretty hard for a winning line, and didn't find one.

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