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Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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I have a very low material quantity of life, but my spiritual quality of life is pretty good even as I live homeless with a disability in a minivan in the United States. Americans are way too materialistic and there needs to be a reckoning of this if anything is going to change. Even people I meet that live in other minivans or RVs want to have every single creature comfort they had when they were living in a house.…

Americans are way too materialistic and there needs to be a reckoning of this if anything is going to change. If this lifestyle works for you, then good for you. Try raising children that way. There is nothing wrong with wanting to live a comfortable life; the vast majority of humans forever have wanted this. In the USA we have a problem with cost of living, but at the end of the day the reason for this is almost alw…

> Try raising children that way.

Come on now, people have done it for hundreds of thousands of years. Just because it’s different from what you used to doesn’t mean it can’t be done. And it doesn’t mean the children will come out harmed in anyway.

> In the USA we have a problem with cost of living, but at the end of the day the reason for this is almost always misguided government intervention.

If there is no government intervention after the 2008 recession (QE, 0% rates) then many more people would be living like I am living. That’s how much people don’t want to reduce their lifestyle, they push it out as far into the future as they can. No matter what the cost of that is later on.

But you seem to think that the government and the corporate state or two different things when they’re one and the same. All these measures were to save stock, prices, assets, etc..But you seem to think that the government and the corporate state or two different things when they’re one in the same. All these measures were to save stock prices, assets, etc.

I’m not a young person, but I can understand what young people think when they see the boomers, who are doing all the consuming, spending all their money which they got from the government interest rates. It’s both not consumers and it is, because the government instituting 0% rates just turned every asset market into a bubble. And this gave everyone with the assets the ability to consume. But you know the government needs people to consume because that’s what creates GDP right?

So all the boomers with the larger amount amount of increase in asset prices, they didn’t have to sell their prices for more money, they don’t have to go on vacation and buy more things, they could’ve live more simply, and there would’ve been no inflation. But it’s the consumption from the people with the assets that to inflation. It’s not 0% interest rates alone that Cause inflation.

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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It's interesting how quality of life baselines have increased so much in the last century. If you wanted to have the QOL of someone that lived in the American West a hundred years ago, it could be done today for probably $100 a month all-inclusive of food, clothing, and shelter. But you'd be eating the same 5-10 things repeatedly, wearing the same clothes, have a few books for entertainment, minimal or no electronics…

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Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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This brings up an interesting philosophical question: we are a species that need two things at a minimum at all times to survive: an oxygen atmosphere and a planetary surface with some level of gravity[1]. We've evolved under conditions where both were freely available for millions of years. While oxygen is still free, the right to set foot on a hospitable part of the earth without paying is rapidly disappearing. Sho…

I don't see the philosophical side here. "Rights" are a purely human construct and only exists in civilizations in the first place (try to convince a bear of your right to set foot in a wood).

If you're content to stay some place where nobody else would want to be, say in the middle of Greenland or Mongolia, nobody is going to bother you for payments. You probably just won't survive long. Everywhere else, you need some sort of allocation mechanism, since by assumption you occupy some place that others also find desirable for settlement). Payments (rents and taxes) are how most societies allocate the majority of scarce resources.

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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That support comes with requirements and they will try to get you "reintegrated" and into a job so that you can support yourself. To use it as a salary with no intention to work is not according to the purpose of this service.

Another way to look at this would be in the context of subsidies aimed at less populated areas of the country. A lot of people are concerned about the countryside going empty, and there are various policies aimed at reversing or at least halting that. They are necessarily income-transfer programs where cities subsidize the countryside. An individual getting paid 500 euros to live in a remote area doesn’t seem like a…

It is something that is be interested to read about - using a basic stipend to redistrube wealth, to try and offset soloing (as in cities), which would (theoretically) help revitalise country towns (with more locals able to spend cash locally)

An addition would be to create various centres to allow people to learn new skills and eventually reenter the workforce

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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I think it's not possible in general. Humans seem to be part of superorganisms like ants. Basically, we need some form of social group to survive. Those who escape the superorganism tend to take resources with them (physical like tools or intellectual like skills). But even if the former wouldn't be true, it is becoming increasingly hard. Humans have become the dominating species of the planet. In proportion to land,…

> Humans seem to be part of superorganisms like ants.

Only with a very authoritarian point of view can I imagine that being true-ish.

> that's at least part of the reason why we're getting so much regulation . . . it limits the freedom for other ways of life

That's authoritarianism again.

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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It's interesting how quality of life baselines have increased so much in the last century. If you wanted to have the QOL of someone that lived in the American West a hundred years ago, it could be done today for probably $100 a month all-inclusive of food, clothing, and shelter. But you'd be eating the same 5-10 things repeatedly, wearing the same clothes, have a few books for entertainment, minimal or no electronics…

> but with the nature of marketing and social pressure, almost no one is willing to make that kind of sacrifice today.

Maybe people prefer having pressurized clean tap water and sewer systems due to something other than marketing and social pressure. I know the women in my life would definitely prefer it compared to my grandmothers who had to travel to get water from the well everyday.

Re: Is there anywhere in the world someone can just live for free?

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It's interesting how quality of life baselines have increased so much in the last century. If you wanted to have the QOL of someone that lived in the American West a hundred years ago, it could be done today for probably $100 a month all-inclusive of food, clothing, and shelter. But you'd be eating the same 5-10 things repeatedly, wearing the same clothes, have a few books for entertainment, minimal or no electronics…

Cost of land fertilizer transportation animals etc have gone up to the point that I didn't think that life is possible for 100 a month

Consider that If this was possible I could work at McDonald's for two years and then retire to that kind of life. Obviously that's not realistic

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