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Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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The whole Sequoia thing is so interesting. Here is an excerpt from their (now taken down) profile of SBF, highlighting the moment he convinced them to invest: > That’s when SBF told Sequoia about the so-called super-app: “I want FTX to be a place where you can do anything you want with your next dollar. You can buy bitcoin. You can send money in whatever currency to any friend anywhere in the world. You can buy a ban…

I think the practical business/technical goals are almost irrelevant. It's not that SBF had a brilliant business model in mind. It's that he fit the "look" of a founder that those VCs expected. He was one of them, with the right pedigree and right connections. It's affinity fraud [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud

> It's not that SBF had a brilliant business model in mind

They had the largest crypto exchange right? That's a competitive market. Seems like something was going right.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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A reddit post called out SBF as a fraud 2 years ago and no one on the Bitcoin subreddit believed them! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/p1oqqu/the_ceo_of_...

Good find, but worth noting that this is accusing him of front-running when what he actually did was dumber and more criminal: using FTX customer deposits to cover losses on the Alameda side.

>what he actually did

No, what he was charged with was using customer funds.

I'm sure they did all kinds of shady things, including front-running customers.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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> You’d think this MIT graduate would wise up, but he never did. The MIT campus has a major public road running through the middle of it, one of the busiest surface streets in the area. You don't have to stand there very long to see a crowd of students almost get hit by a car because they didn't look before they crossed the street. Point is, the old cliche is true, there really is such a thing as a person with a lot…

I typically think that what makes MIT the greatest is their marketing department. They do a lot of great things, but what they do best is telling everyone that they are the best.

I'll give them this: they throw a great puzzle hunt.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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A reddit post called out SBF as a fraud 2 years ago and no one on the Bitcoin subreddit believed them! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/p1oqqu/the_ceo_of_...

> OP you literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Put your tin foil hat away and stop trying to stir up controversy where there is none.

Some of the replies to that... my god.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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The whole Sequoia thing is so interesting. Here is an excerpt from their (now taken down) profile of SBF, highlighting the moment he convinced them to invest: > That’s when SBF told Sequoia about the so-called super-app: “I want FTX to be a place where you can do anything you want with your next dollar. You can buy bitcoin. You can send money in whatever currency to any friend anywhere in the world. You can buy a ban…

> How was this compelling to people who control serious money? Access to money, and intelligence, are not positively correlated. Jury is out on whether there is no correlation, or if there is negative correlation. Given the braindead antics of the wealthy over the past 10 years, I'm leaning towards the latter.

Anybody remember that rich dude who built a submarine against every single convention and over the screaming shouting objections of literally every other person alive who's built submarines, who then tried to go to the Titanic and killed himself and four other people?

How about Musk who bought a successful if mid-tier social media site for 44 billion dollars and has cratered it to being worth barely 4?

How about Zuck who renamed his entire damn company in a bid to pivot to the metaverse just in time for that entire house of cards to come crashing down?

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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A reddit post called out SBF as a fraud 2 years ago and no one on the Bitcoin subreddit believed them! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/p1oqqu/the_ceo_of_...

From this, we can glean two lessons:

1) There's not a lot of weight to put on such criticism because for any success there are also critics. Critics are wrong until and unless they're right. As others have noted, in this case, he wasn't convicted for the thing these critics were claiming he was doing.

2) ... But, it's Bitcoin. Any critic claiming anything Bitcoin related is probably tied to a scam is statistically likely to be correct. ;)

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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post #393

> You’d think this MIT graduate would wise up, but he never did. The MIT campus has a major public road running through the middle of it, one of the busiest surface streets in the area. You don't have to stand there very long to see a crowd of students almost get hit by a car because they didn't look before they crossed the street. Point is, the old cliche is true, there really is such a thing as a person with a lot…

I think a lot of the time he couldn't control his autism.

Is he, in fact, autistic? Has he been diagnosed by an actual doctor as opposed to, say, Reddit? If so Wikipedia is silent on the subject.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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The whole Sequoia thing is so interesting. Here is an excerpt from their (now taken down) profile of SBF, highlighting the moment he convinced them to invest: > That’s when SBF told Sequoia about the so-called super-app: “I want FTX to be a place where you can do anything you want with your next dollar. You can buy bitcoin. You can send money in whatever currency to any friend anywhere in the world. You can buy a ban…

> Like, he’s rambling about how you should buy bananas with Bitcoin. How was this compelling to people who control serious money? Everyone and their dog was looking for an actually credible, mass-market compatible usage scenario for Bitcoin beyond buying drugs on Silk Road.

coinbro brain. 'everyone' couldn't give a shit about bitcoin, statistically speaking.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole Sequoia thing is so interesting. Here is an excerpt from their (now taken down) profile of SBF, highlighting the moment he convinced them to invest: > That’s when SBF told Sequoia about the so-called super-app: “I want FTX to be a place where you can do anything you want with your next dollar. You can buy bitcoin. You can send money in whatever currency to any friend anywhere in the world. You can buy a ban…

There is this weird thing in venture investing: the line between "crazy, brilliant founders who will build world changing companies" and "crazy, lunatic founders who will lie and cheat and be awful" is very hard to distinguish, especially at the series seed/series A level. It can lead to false positives and false negatives all the time.

FTX didn't have a CFO. They didn't have a legitimate board of directors.

No VC in their right mind should ever pour billions into a finance company that doesn't have a CFO or risk management team, doesn't have properly audited financial statements, doesn't have board oversight, etc. Especially so in a risky industry like crypto where scams and fraud are well known to be rampant.

This is the main criticism I have of the people who invested in FTX. Even if you thought SBF was a world-changing entrepreneur 2 years ago, the structure of his company should have disqualified it from investment.

Re: Sam Bankman-Fried Convicted

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Citadel took advantage of this situation to "tokenize" stocks and say there were 1 to 1 to perpetuate their fraud. Fake locates, fake margin. Hope Kenny G is next on the list. The whole stock market would benefit from his downfall. Maybe we would get real price discovery.
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