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Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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America's education system is failing simple as that, the numbers show it and it's trending down instead of up in all academic categories.

Anecdotally my spouse whom is a Teacher often has to deal with kids in middle and high school levels who can barely read or do basic math/logic (but have strong influenced opinions on social issues that lean heavily left - just the fact don't get mad. I only mention this to show where the effort lies in teaching our children). Homeschooling is simply a way to try and mitigate putting ones child in an environment that is not accomplishing it's main task which is teach mandatory subjects to an average and hopefully excellent level.

If they would focus on academics instead of politics and ideologies (outside of elective courses that specifically teach these subjects) I think most people would still consider Public Schools in general but until they solve that, these issues will be solved by parents in many different avenues home schooling is just one of them and there will be more that will be tried.

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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This is my thing, like what right does a public school have to regulate when I can and won't send my kids to school? If I decide to take a trip abroad for a month, that's on me... why do i have to worry about truancy court and CPS breathing down my neck?

Your kid has a right to education, you don't get to deny them that right. It's funny how rugged individualism seems to end with self and extend to happily stomping on others.

Sure, and it's my responsibility to provide it without the state nanny'ing over me.

The homeschoolers get a free pass to do literally whatever... don't you see a dichotomy with what you're preaching?

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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I'm doing everything I can to raise my children unequally.

As, understandably, is everyone. Everyone would do a better job with their taxes than the government is. Everyone drives better than the average driver. We need some structural limitations to keep things sorta ok for everyone.

I'll answer here for everyone. Some projected connotations on my comment, others were more neutral.

My comment was actually intentionally devoid of connotations and just exposed a direct consequence of the nature of home schooling compared to public schooling. Home schooling simply has many more input variables (wealth of parents, religion of parents, politics of parents, etc. ) and therefore the outputs are much more spread out. Home schooling is an even more individualized form of private schooling and on an axis of equality, an "universal free public schooling only" system would be at one end of the spectrum and a "self funded home schooling only" system would be at the other end of the spectrum with many options in-between. My statement that home schooling is more unequal should not by itself be controversial. If follows directly from what the thread ancestor said, to quote: "People talk about homeschooling as if it's one single concept, but it's actually a whole bunch of very dissimilar things."

What is controversial is whether equality or lack thereof is desirable.

I will argue that striving towards more equality results in better social outcomes.

Before that, I will note that just as parent said above, it is perfectly normal for any parent to desire the best for their own child.

1. My fist argument is that, as parent said, most people overestimate their own capabilities and the quality of their own decision making. All of the different categories of home schooling parents desire the best for their kids and imagine that they will have above average results yet very few will actually be above average, many will be below. I would argue that in this case we are talking specifically about equality of opportunities, and that while a few home schooled students will gain extra opportunities, most home schooled students will be robbed of opportunities that a public education would offer. AS a most extreme example, a flat earther insisting to home school their children and only present "alternative truth" is a danger to their children.

2. My second argument is that a more equal educational system is likely to result in a better adult environment for a student after they finish formal education. In other words, for better outcomes for ones own student it is worth spending on the education of other students too. This is because:

2.1 With more uniform educational outcomes a person will be part of a larger cohort and demographically it is more advantageous to be part of a larger cohort. The group of like minded people being larger means there are more social opportunities which result in more opportunities for both dating and professional networking.

2.2. Even presupposing a home schooled student is a winner and has way above average outcomes, it is better for them to live in a society with a higher baseline of education. Going by Carlo Cipolla's "The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity", which splits people into 4 groups (intelligent, helpless, bandits, stupid) based on 2 criteria (benefits/losses that individuals cause to themselves and benefits/losses that individuals cause to others). Cipolla's 5'th rule says "A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person." And the corollary is: "a stupid person is more dangerous than a bandit". Therefore it is advantageous to the intelligent people to minimize the share of stupid people. A higher baseline of education is a way to hopefully achieve that. The only group that believes it is advantageous (at least on the short term but not on the long term) for the share of stupid people to be larger is the bandits.

3. My third argument is that, educational competitive pressure is detrimental to the health (especially mental and emotional, but also physical) of students. A more unequal educational system results in more competitive pressure. As can be seen in China and South Corea, extreme competitive pressure will result in peaks of performance but will also be largely detrimental to the well-being of the students during and after the years of formal education.

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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There is a single opinion that is valid of all those different forms together: it (home schooling) will increase inequality in society in terms of amplitude, spread and flavors.

The notion that you should sacrifice your children on the alter of some notion of egalitarianism is something I find deeply immoral. If I have a duty to my child it is too ensure that he has the best opportunity to lead a happy, fulfilling life.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122622

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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There is a single opinion that is valid of all those different forms together: it (home schooling) will increase inequality in society in terms of amplitude, spread and flavors.

So parents aren't allowed to attempt to create the best opportunities for their children and the state needs to make sure there's forced equality?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122622

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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There is a single opinion that is valid of all those different forms together: it (home schooling) will increase inequality in society in terms of amplitude, spread and flavors.

Seconding the request to elaborate. There may be good and valid arguments against homeschooling but increase of inequality sounds.. weird.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122622

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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There is a single opinion that is valid of all those different forms together: it (home schooling) will increase inequality in society in terms of amplitude, spread and flavors.

Why do you think that?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122622

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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There is a single opinion that is valid of all those different forms together: it (home schooling) will increase inequality in society in terms of amplitude, spread and flavors.

Is the the pinnacle of progressive thought in the west? Dumb down your children to appease a make believe notion of equality?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38122622

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Scale isn't necessarily good. I went to a massive highschool in Texas and suspect I would have had a far better experience in a much smaller school whether it be a homeschooling co-op or a small public school (the latter didn't exist in my hometown, only massive Texan highschools). And my best classes in uni weren't the massive lectures at the University of Texas but rather small summer school classes I took in a che…

"Reinventing the wheel leads to better wheels." - Don't remember where I heard it, but it's a good line.

Evaluate on a case-by-case basis.

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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We're homeschooling our kids. I was pretty against it at first, but seeing our education system degrade to the state it is today, and being honest about my schooling experience definitely opened me up to it. I think the biggest argument for schooling is the socialization aspect of it. I don't know about the rest of you but I was bullied pretty relentlessly throughout grade school and it completely changed my personal…

I think anyone who has been seriously bullied would definitely agree - being bullied as a child can severely fuck up the rest of your life. Sure, many/most eventually move on, but like you, 30 years later I've got the therapy bills to show for it. Sometimes I feel a little guilty feeling envious about my nieces' upbringing. They went to private school that ran from 1-8 grade, so they essentially skipped the middle sc…

I've heard a professor describe high school the same way. We throw a bunch of hormonal, identity-discovering, stressed teenagers together and then wonder why incidents happen.
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