They give current solar desalination efficiency as 1.5 kilos of water per square meter. Shouldn't there be a time component?
They're using Journalist Power Units. You're lucky it's not in houses per year.
Light can make water evaporate without heat
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Yeh I read it as though it’s a form of catalyst. Ultimately the light is changing the threshold energy at which water can evaporate. Similar to the photoelectric effect. Similar say to an enzyme. All these environmental changes to the reaction lower the ‘action’ energy making the reaction vastly more efficient or possible in an environment that it wasn’t possible in previously.
Enzymes catalyze the breaking of molecular bonds. The embodied energy of a phase transition does not pay attention to what path you took to cross it. There’s no “threshold” between phases of water. For H20 to move from liquid water to vapor, energy must be added. There’s no catalyst. So either we’ve discovered some new physics since I last studied thermodynamics, or this isn’t an accurate analogy.
Just a wild guess though. Haven't yet read the article.
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#33I can't wrap my head around this story. What does it mean in thermodynamic terms? Isn't there a fixed amount of energy per mass that it takes to convert liquid water into vapor? Why does it matter that the energy comes from light?
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#34I can't wrap my head around this story. What does it mean in thermodynamic terms? Isn't there a fixed amount of energy per mass that it takes to convert liquid water into vapor? Why does it matter that the energy comes from light?
> In recent years, some researchers have been puzzled upon finding that water in their experiments, which was held in a sponge-like material known as a hydrogel, was evaporating at a higher rate than could be explained by the amount of heat, or thermal energy, that the water was receiving. And the excess has been significant — a doubling, or even a tripling or more, of the theoretical maximum rate. Apparently it evap…
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're using Journalist Power Units. You're lucky it's not in houses per year.
How many Libraries of Congress full of water is this?
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#37https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Absorpti...
It seems that the "green" wavelength that the article cites is exactly where the lowest point of absorption is. Could this suggest that heat is created as a result of electromagnetic resistance? (Like water molecules vibrating as a result of microwave radiation?)
Re: Light can make water evaporate without heat
#38I can't wrap my head around this story. What does it mean in thermodynamic terms? Isn't there a fixed amount of energy per mass that it takes to convert liquid water into vapor? Why does it matter that the energy comes from light?
Re: Light can make water evaporate without heat
#39Please excuse my understanding as a layman, but could this be related to the electromagnetic absorption spectrum of water? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Absorpti... It seems that the "green" wavelength that the article cites is exactly where the lowest point of absorption is. Could this suggest that heat is created as a result of electromagnetic resistance? (Like water molecules vibrating as a r…
Lightbulbs getting hot would suggest that is correct, but maybe I'm missing what you're saying
Re: Light can make water evaporate without heat
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeh I read it as though it’s a form of catalyst. Ultimately the light is changing the threshold energy at which water can evaporate. Similar to the photoelectric effect. Similar say to an enzyme. All these environmental changes to the reaction lower the ‘action’ energy making the reaction vastly more efficient or possible in an environment that it wasn’t possible in previously.
Enzymes catalyze the breaking of molecular bonds. The embodied energy of a phase transition does not pay attention to what path you took to cross it. There’s no “threshold” between phases of water. For H20 to move from liquid water to vapor, energy must be added. There’s no catalyst. So either we’ve discovered some new physics since I last studied thermodynamics, or this isn’t an accurate analogy.
I think that is a wrong assumption. Liquids will naturally evaporate even with 0 external energy, assuming there is not too much pressure in the surrounding atmosphere.