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"Plausible photomolecular effect leading to water evaporation exceeding the thermal limit" (2023) https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2312751120 :

> Abstract: We report in this work several unexpected experimental observations on evaporation from hydrogels under visible light illumination. 1) Partially wetted hydrogels become absorbing in the visible spectral range, where the absorption by both the water and the hydrogel materials is negligible. 2) Illumination of hydrogel under solar or visible-spectrum light-emitting diode leads to evaporation rates exceeding the thermal evaporation limit, even in hydrogels without additional absorbers. 3) The evaporation rates are wavelength dependent, peaking at 520 nm. 4) Temperature of the vapor phase becomes cooler under light illumination and shows a flat region due to breaking-up of the clusters that saturates air. And 5) vapor phase transmission spectra under light show new features and peak shifts. We interpret these observations by introducing the hypothesis that photons in the visible spectrum can cleave water clusters off surfaces due to large electrical field gradients and quadrupole force on molecular clusters. We call the light-induced evaporation process the photomolecular effect. The photomolecular evaporation might be happening widely in nature, potentially impacting climate and plants’ growth, and can be exploited for clean water and energy technologies.

Can low-cost integrated photonics help with e.g. water desalination and sterilization? #Goal6 #CleanWater

> Under certain conditions, at the interface where water meets air, light can directly bring about evaporation without the need for heat, and it actually does so even more efficiently than heat. In these experiments, the water was held in a hydrogel material, but the researchers suggest that the phenomenon may occur under other conditions as well.

Various methods of integrated photonics with various production costs: https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=38056088

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that be rate rather than efficiency?

So maybe it would be better stated as 1.5 kilos per x joules of sunlight (or per area per day average? At the equator?) but as stated I can't make sense of it.

The number is more about the potential productivity of the system across a time period (a full day, I believe), rather than the speed at which it produces purified water at any given moment.

Here is an article from 2020 from MIT using the same units and wording: https://news.mit.edu/2020/passive-solar-powered-water-desali...

I do agree its confusing.

edit: Later in the MIT article they state their device (which is also a 5.8L/m2 system) - "[...] roughly 1-square-meter solar collecting area could meet the daily drinking water needs of one person.

So I will assume the numbers are per day.

edit2: On second thought, the units aren't that confusing. We already use "BTU", for example, to measure air conditioner performance. We just know that means "per hour". Then just the additional complexity of it being based off surface area. "We bought a 6L/m2 solar desalination plant" sounds the same as "We bought a 15,000 BTU A/C unit". Consumer marketing would drop the sizing - "We just bought a 10L desalination plant" and the thing is as big as it needs to be.

Re: Light can make water evaporate without heat

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I can't wrap my head around this story. What does it mean in thermodynamic terms? Isn't there a fixed amount of energy per mass that it takes to convert liquid water into vapor? Why does it matter that the energy comes from light?

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Why is it surprising? Light can transfer momentum into the water, which is was matters for the process of evaporation...?

Isn't 'transfer momentum' just a round about way of saying "heat up." I think the interesting aspect here is that the evaporation is greater than what can be explained by heat alone.

Yeh I read it as though it’s a form of catalyst. Ultimately the light is changing the threshold energy at which water can evaporate.

Similar to the photoelectric effect. Similar say to an enzyme.

All these environmental changes to the reaction lower the ‘action’ energy making the reaction vastly more efficient or possible in an environment that it wasn’t possible in previously.

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So maybe it would be better stated as 1.5 kilos per x joules of sunlight (or per area per day average? At the equator?) but as stated I can't make sense of it.

The number is more about the potential productivity of the system across a time period (a full day, I believe), rather than the speed at which it produces purified water at any given moment. Here is an article from 2020 from MIT using the same units and wording: https://news.mit.edu/2020/passive-solar-powered-water-desali... I do agree its confusing. edit: Later in the MIT article they state their device (which is al…

Also, do they mean "peak" or "mean"...

Re: Light can make water evaporate without heat

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Why is it surprising? Light can transfer momentum into the water, which is was matters for the process of evaporation...?

> Light can transfer momentum Momentum is mass x velocity; what’s the mass of a photon?

E = ħf = mc^2.

For photon,

p = hλ

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