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Home Assistant 2023.11

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Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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Oh neat

Today I learned that if you have residency in Denmark can just log into eloverblik.dk and see yearly, monthly, daily and up to hourly statistics about your energy consumption.

Going back to 2021 for me. And it has an API, for which there is an HA plugin.

No special hardware or account required. Fantastic.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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Hass is the kind of software that has a lot of rough edges, but you use it anyway because there's very little direct competition. And every release feels like so much stuff has been finally polished, but then you deploy the new version and there's still a lot of stuff that feels or looks weird (the part-bad-UI-part-YAML automation). I have been using it for a couple of years now and I still haven't decided whether I…

I also have a love/hate relationship with HA. It has so many integrations I couldn’t imagine switching to some other controller, but I very much wish to only use it as a “backend”. I’d rather code the actual logic in something that doesn’t take 20 clicks for a simple binary variable. I’ve been playing with Node Red and Pyscript which are both improvements but still not exactly what I want.

Yeah, I am perfectly capable of writing my desired logic in ten or more actual programming languages, but I'm stuck with writing imperative code in a serialization language.

Hass is the great equalizer of home automation, difficult to script for non-programmers AND programmers.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are making Gladys Assistant ( https://gladysassistant.com/ ), an open-source smart home software. It's less "techy" than HA (no YAML files, no CLI), and UI first. We have way less integrations for now, but are working hard on it. Don't hesitate to try it and make us some feedback.

I do feel like there's no point in making non-UI first home automation technology. It's not as though you'll be rolling it out across multiple environments.

> It's not as though you'll be rolling it out across multiple environments.

Definitely not for home use, but I could imagine a place for an open source server to manage a commercial property too. I'm admittedly a total outsider at property management, but I could imagine someone who operates several hotels, office buildings, or maybe even a school district wanting a building automation solution that doesn't lock them into a particular vendor. They'd have enough rooms and hallways with identical equipment that populating it via files, CLI, or an API might make sense.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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I want to use this space to instead praise publicly Home Assistant, it's IMO one of the biggest and most-useful opensource project out there, it's very professional and it let you do thing that are simply unthinkable with any other "smart hub" from a proprietary vendor. I can control a wifi device with a zigbee button, use an NFC and scan it with a mobile phone to execute some action in some software that doesn't eve…

Lots of negativity in here. So this is nice. I use HA at home and it's nothing short of amazing. I primarily use Zigbee devices and they all just work. I pay Nabu Casa for the external access and Google integration. I look forward to replacing my Google Homes with HA as well.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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I want to use this space to instead praise publicly Home Assistant, it's IMO one of the biggest and most-useful opensource project out there, it's very professional and it let you do thing that are simply unthinkable with any other "smart hub" from a proprietary vendor. I can control a wifi device with a zigbee button, use an NFC and scan it with a mobile phone to execute some action in some software that doesn't eve…

Seconding this. I was able to just run it with docker compose on a cheap mini PC and it chugs away happily, interfacing with all manner of devices (Phillips/Lifx/IKEA/Airpurifier/Bunnings brands). Only gets tricky to set up devices when you're dealing with some hostile cloud based gadget that doesn't want to play nice. Unbelievable it can all be controlled offline using Siri on an iPhone, or other voice assistants. I…

>Unbelievable it can all be controlled offline using Siri on an iPhone, or other voice assistants.

Does your iPhone need an i ternet connection for this to work?

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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Are they still gallivanting their way around the internet being assholes? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27505277 I still use HA but haven't upgraded in a good while. Partially because of the switch away from YAML, and partially because that link left a pretty sour taste in my mouth.

Wild. I recognise that I'm starting to become more dependent on Home Assistant. It offers me a lot of value, but this makes me rather worried.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also have a love/hate relationship with HA. It has so many integrations I couldn’t imagine switching to some other controller, but I very much wish to only use it as a “backend”. I’d rather code the actual logic in something that doesn’t take 20 clicks for a simple binary variable. I’ve been playing with Node Red and Pyscript which are both improvements but still not exactly what I want.

Yeah, I am perfectly capable of writing my desired logic in ten or more actual programming languages, but I'm stuck with writing imperative code in a serialization language. Hass is the great equalizer of home automation, difficult to script for non-programmers AND programmers.

Isn’t HA open source? I wonder if it would be possible to build an alternate automation running that runs in a given language.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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I want to use this space to instead praise publicly Home Assistant, it's IMO one of the biggest and most-useful opensource project out there, it's very professional and it let you do thing that are simply unthinkable with any other "smart hub" from a proprietary vendor. I can control a wifi device with a zigbee button, use an NFC and scan it with a mobile phone to execute some action in some software that doesn't eve…

Lots of negativity in here. So this is nice. I use HA at home and it's nothing short of amazing. I primarily use Zigbee devices and they all just work. I pay Nabu Casa for the external access and Google integration. I look forward to replacing my Google Homes with HA as well.

I don’t understand the negativity at all. HA rivals or exceeds commercial automation systems like crestron, RTI, etc. clearly those people don’t have any industry experience. I’ve generally never had an issue with HA beyond my own fault, like a buggy integration.

Re: Home Assistant 2023.11

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I gave up on Home Assistant, it required too much tweaking of configs between releases. I took inspiration from https://github.com/stapelberg/regelwerk instead

I haven't really touched my YAML in a long while, especially not for anything release-related.

Case in point: I just did the update that TFA mentions, and is was as simple as running `docker-compose pull && docker-compose up -d`. This is on an install that has 20+ different integrations, 30-40 "devices" (some of them are virtual) and a lot of entities.

This has been the case for the last 2-3 years at least.

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