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Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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What about memory usage? For some reason Chrome gets a lot of flak for this but Firefox is significantly worse in my experience. I'm considering switching just because of that. :/

I think it's meant to be that due to the differing ways tabs are handled firefox uses more memory with only a couple of tabs but once you increase the number it uses less than chromium.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Same here, I also use Firefox ESR from Debian packages and I've observed Firefox to lock up hard a few times. Often to the point it affects the entire desktop so not quite sure if it's a bug in Firefox itself or possibly elsewhere e.g., Wayland.

Sounds like it could be a DE or graphics driver problem. Have you checked the kernel and system logs when that happens?

Good idea, I'll try that next time I observe this.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Since upgrading to 118 I've had random hangs of firefox every few days. Not clear why, no CPU or swap. All windows just freeze and need a "killall firefox", which works - shutting firefox down cleanly. Of course it's impossible to find anything anywhere about this due to search engine spam Was fine for years until 118 and is rare enough to not be able to reliably reproduce it (and thus do things like disabling extens…

Firefox developer here. There are a few ways to diagnose this, depending on your setup. If everything is frozen on Linux, it's probably the parent process that is having an issue. The "parent process" is the process that oversees all the tabs, it's the top process in a Firefox process tree, the one that has lots of children. If our crash reporter is enabled, you can also just kill the parent process with `SIGABRT`, t…

Bookmarking this! Also this should be in some wiki!

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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When more and more parts of FF are written in rust, I thought FF will get a lot faster. But for the past 1 year, I can only see marginal improvements w.r.t speed. And occasionally FF hangs when I have 20 tabs opened.

> And occasionally FF hangs when I have 20 tabs opened.

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That's really suprising to read when on my low-end laptop from 2012, Firefox runs with 20 open tabs without ever facing any issue (I have something like 30 tabs open right now).

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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I like seeing Mozilla actually improving Firefox instead of just shuffling UI components around. I've been a longtime user, and am happy to support the underdog here to try and keep some balance of power on the web. Having Mozilla focus more on their tech, and less on politics is a good thing. Regardless, Firefox is a good piece of software and I have no major qualms with it.

I'm happy for Mozilla to keep shuffling UI components around - if it gets them more users then that's good, and it's vital that Mozilla be willing and permitted to take risks, instead of always being a step behind in every aspect. For instance, FirefoxOS seems to have been a failure, but most longshots are a failure, and if you scrimp on long shots then you end up like Microsoft, realizing that some kids these days d…

> I'm happy for Mozilla to keep shuffling UI components around - if it gets them more users then that's good

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/StatCoun...

Firefox is continues to bleed users despite of (or because of) UI reshuffling.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Holy crap, this is the most helpful answer I've ever seen from a Firefox developer on HN. When I was having a memory exhaustion issue, I was just told "enable the page file, running without overcommit is a recipe for disaster" (looks at my 40GB of memory). I should figure out if that issue still occurs.

> running without overcommit is a recipe for disaster (but yes, it probably is, even with 40GB of memory. I bet many things are designed on Linux with overcommit as an assumption)

My laptop has a mere 32G of ram and 6G swap (currently unused but I did reboot last week)

The advice used to be 1.5*physical ram for swap back in the days when I had 4MB of ram and 170MB HDD - well under 5% of disk space Doing that today would be 20% of my disk space which seemed excessive.

Perhaps I could create a 24G swap file as a ram drive, giving me 8G of ram and 24G of swap. Why would that be better than just 32G of ram and no swap? Is it better than 40G of ram and no swap?

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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I'm not a fan of telemetry in any browser (I love Lynx because of this), but Mozilla is definitely more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft. Edit: I'm not saying that Lynx should be a daily driver or that it's more secure, but it's a neat little project that avoids some of the bad patterns in modern browsers.

How do you expect companies to understand how their products are used for improvement purposes without telemetry? Honest question.

companies managed just fine before the internet

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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> running without overcommit is a recipe for disaster (but yes, it probably is, even with 40GB of memory. I bet many things are designed on Linux with overcommit as an assumption)

My laptop has a mere 32G of ram and 6G swap (currently unused but I did reboot last week) The advice used to be 1.5*physical ram for swap back in the days when I had 4MB of ram and 170MB HDD - well under 5% of disk space Doing that today would be 20% of my disk space which seemed excessive. Perhaps I could create a 24G swap file as a ram drive, giving me 8G of ram and 24G of swap. Why would that be better than just 3…

I stopped worrying about swap when I learned how to use zram.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

#289

Why use Chrome? I'm curious, for those of you who use Chrome ... why do you (vs. another browser)?

Personally I just find it the least aggravating browser. It doesn't suffer from the performance issues and site incompatibilities of Firefox, the bugs of Brave, nor the incessant nagging of Edge. It just gets out of my way and let's me browse.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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In regards to treestyletab did you get rid of the top tabs or do you have both on your screen. I feel like i lost quite a lot of real estate on smaller screens with both.

You can remove the top tab bar with some CSS. https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-ta...

Thank you ! that makes things much nicer !
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