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FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Hasn't worked for me. Chargebacks are pretty much non-existent. The bank will just contact the vendor, ask them if they delivered "the product" and if they just say "yes" (no proof needed, and they always say yes) they deny my claim. I barely even got it back when my kid stole my credit card and gave it to a scammer selling "minecraft accounts." Maybe I need to find a different bank?

> I barely even got it back when my kid stole my credit card and gave it to a scammer selling "minecraft accounts." Nor should you quite frankly. Kids buying stupid things is not the same as fraud.

I'd assume in this case the fraud is not getting the minecraft account for advertised price and/or abusing the credit card info afterwards.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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For residential internet most people have no data cap and those who do have a very large cap (over 1TB/month). Even I as a pretty active user only use like 500GB/month on my desktop according to Windows.

1TB/mo is not “very large” since you can get that kind of data allocation on a $2-4/mo server.

Residential internet connections aren't designed for the same kind of usage as some VPS.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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My friends in third-world countries get faster and less expensive service than me in Silicon Valley. On top of that, there is no fiber connection in my neighborhood, and they've been on fiber for over 5 years. And there is a data cap also. It's just crazy and sad.

I live in Perú, and I have 400Mbps internet FTTH with no data cap, and the price is 37 USD [1], the competition of the internet providers is incredibly good for the consumers. The lowest plan that mi ISP offers is 100Mbps and is at 21 USD. [1] https://www.movistar.com.pe/hogar/internet/solo-internet (Link in Spanish)

According to wikipedia the average monthly salary in Peru is $502 US. $37 per month doesn't seem that cheap to me.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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Starlink will not qualify - even in area with no congestion where you have to problem maintaining >200Mbps down your upload speed averages around 15Mbps

yep, my average is about 88 Mbps down and 7.4 Mbps up on Starlink. The frustrating thing is it fluctuates a lot. At one point I could get about 160/10.

As far as I can tell you can't meet the 20Mbps upload requirement anywhere.

I'm in rural middle of nowhere in central Europe, at a latitude with very dense Starlink coverage and I'm almost certainly the only Starlink user in my hex - the speeds I'm getting are pretty much unaffected by network congestion.

Even in those ideal conditions upload is 10-15Mbps 95% of the time, even when download is closer to 300 than 200Mbps

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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FCC should fix the collusion that happens under the table between ISPs. ISPs tend to avoid entering an area where there is already established service. So for a majority of people, the ISPs have a de facto monopoly. No need to improve service or customer support. Also need to overturn legislation at state level which forbids municipal ISPs from being created. This would help break the mini monopolies that ISPs. Defin…

There is a ISP which provides fibre internet with great upload speed and low price a few miles away. I once called their signup phone number and asked if they could extend their service to my place. They said no because they had an agreement with Comcast not to encroach on each other territories.

how is this not a blatant violation of anti-trust laws?

> The Sherman Act broadly prohibits 1) anticompetitive agreements and 2) unilateral conduct that monopolizes or attempts to monopolize the relevant market.

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It depends on your ISP. My phone has a data cap of 100 GB/month. Once I go over that I am throttled when the network is congested. My home internet has no data caps.

I don't know about other ISPs, but Xfinity/Comcast residential internet has a data cap of 1TB/month, regardless of the bandwidth tier you pay for. Although you can pay a (substantial) fee to remove that data cap.

Comcast Business has no data cap and so might be an option

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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My friends in third-world countries get faster and less expensive service than me in Silicon Valley. On top of that, there is no fiber connection in my neighborhood, and they've been on fiber for over 5 years. And there is a data cap also. It's just crazy and sad.

Are they in geographic region that is more densely populated? Or an area that was built out more recently? In my last house (also in SV) the choices were between Comcast and AT&T copper. The latter went up to 6/1, so was effectively useless. I'm sure it was laid down decades ago.

They are in a densely populated area. The city had issues with internet service for quite a while. The government started to invest heavily in fiber tech around the 2010s, and fast forward to now, almost everyone in the city can get a fiber connection to their home or apartment building. The cost is around ~28$ for 300Mbs and $80 for 1Gbs.

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I guess I'm the outlier. I have 300 down / 15 up and never really notice an issue.

How often do you upload? I notice especially when trying to rsync or upload files to the cloud.

Not often and never in large doses - mostly just recorded images or videos to the cloud. I don't know the use cases people have for that outside of streaming large media.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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1TB/mo is not “very large” since you can get that kind of data allocation on a $2-4/mo server.

Residential internet connections aren't designed for the same kind of usage as some VPS.

Ok but we’re talking about a whole computer with redundant power and connectivity and memory and disk storage compared to throughput on already-installed non-redundant wires. One of those certainly costs way less than the other, but Comcast still charges multiple orders of magnitude more for.

Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]

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as far as I can tell given the IT usage in the country I'm from:

- 10mbps is the bare minimum to not have frequent major problems with all kinds of things but it still just a minimum (symmetric, if with reasonable latency and reliable and always actually 10mbps, i.e. not a contract which says 10mbps but is often much less or supper low latency)

- 100(down)/~50(up)mbps is "good enough" for quite many (but then bluray dvds are still make some profite here, soo...; also again actual speeds not "marketed speeds")

- 500+mbps down are what you really want if you play a lot of AAA games or similar, else download times for updates and similar become quite in-convenient and can infer with you playing with other people (e.g. due to you waiting for a unexped download). Some jobs need speeds like that, too.

- there is little point in more then 1gbps down or 250mbps up (where I live; outside some niche cases). It's partially a chicken and egg problem: Without good internet you can't sell services which need/want such speeds but without such services why should anyone spend (larger amounts of) money to buy such internet and if very few buy it where available why should a teleco make it available in other areas

Through that's private usage, not b2b, e.g. remote controlled agriculture machines.

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