I'm much more excited about the "...and 20 megabits per second for upload". My comcast account for $107/mo with 1.2 TB data transfer cap per month still only has a 5 megabit upload throttle (80/5). I literally had the same upload speed in 2003.
FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
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Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why shouldn’t there be a cap? Bandwidth isn’t free. It’s sad seeing people on a forum called hacker news having no idea how networking infrastructure works.
Because it's next to free (no additional cost to run the infrastructure we're already running) and we're nowhere near the limits of our existing infrastructure's overall bandwidth limits right now, as evidenced by the lack of caps not affecting quality of internet service for the entirety of 2020, when more people were online per hour than at any previous point in history.
Source? Running things requires labor, labor is getting expensive. Pricing isn’t set on simply the marginal cost of materials…
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#13This is nice, but with increased speed, they should also require ISPs do not impose a data cap to be considered broadband.
Why shouldn’t there be a cap? Bandwidth isn’t free. It’s sad seeing people on a forum called hacker news having no idea how networking infrastructure works.
once the infrastructure is there does each byte/gigabyte really have an intrinsic cost? isn't more about the bytes per second and not the bytes total?
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#14Honest question: at what point, with real life usage, is 1 Gbps actually necessary for home users? I find that latency rather than throughput is what determines my perceived quality of an Internet connection. But am curious how others think.
Probably when VR starts popping off
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
So that someone's grandma who hardly uses her connection can subsidize your extreme over-consumption of digital media?
Yes, for the same reason that roads used by daily drivers are subsidized by remote workers.
Ironically roads should also have caps and/or tolls, so this take is strange. This is partly why gas and excise tax is a thing…
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#16happy to see upload get the attention it deserves. nothing is more annoying than uploading a video to $messagingapp or $socialmediaplatform and it just taking forever due to slow upload. a nice quality of life improvement to shove that quicker to someone. even stuff like backing up computers, or running security cameras that you can view remotely or that record to the cloud (encrypted) are really hampered by upload s…
Oh, it's worse than that. With my 20-1 DSL connection, saturating the uplink effectively causes a DoS for the downlink.
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#17This is nice, but with increased speed, they should also require ISPs do not impose a data cap to be considered broadband.
Why shouldn’t there be a cap? Bandwidth isn’t free. It’s sad seeing people on a forum called hacker news having no idea how networking infrastructure works.
Cost of the traffic is: hardware (staggered cost covered over many months), and running costs (subscription to higher tier internet carriers, electricity, rent of the premises, salaries etc). Most of this is covered by the monthly fees, to have a profitable business one must have those costs covered as a minimum. None of the above affects how much internet data goes through, zero or maxed out capacity, cost is the same.
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it's next to free (no additional cost to run the infrastructure we're already running) and we're nowhere near the limits of our existing infrastructure's overall bandwidth limits right now, as evidenced by the lack of caps not affecting quality of internet service for the entirety of 2020, when more people were online per hour than at any previous point in history.
Source? Running things requires labor, labor is getting expensive. Pricing isn’t set on simply the marginal cost of materials…
Running a fully utilized fiber line is.. exactly the same amount of labor as running a 10% utilized one.
The cost to track and bill people for caps and let them pay overages though..
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why shouldn’t there be a cap? Bandwidth isn’t free. It’s sad seeing people on a forum called hacker news having no idea how networking infrastructure works.
once the infrastructure is there does each byte/gigabyte really have an intrinsic cost? isn't more about the bytes per second and not the bytes total ?
There’s more to running an isp than simply plumbing electricity.
Re: FCC launches inquiry to increase minimum broadband speed [pdf]
#20This is nice, but with increased speed, they should also require ISPs do not impose a data cap to be considered broadband.
Why shouldn’t there be a cap? Bandwidth isn’t free. It’s sad seeing people on a forum called hacker news having no idea how networking infrastructure works.
Let me throw that question back at you: why should there be a cap? You are paying ISPs for a certain bandwidth speed per month and they sure as hell are not prorating your service based on data that you did not consume. If the ISP is in capable of delivering the agreed-upon band with every minute of the whole month, then they are not meeting the SLA that you’re paying them for.