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Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by Alifatisk »

temp0826 wrote: post #63
jszymborski wrote: post #14

I trust the Firefox team knows what they're doing and came to the right conclusion re: performance. That said, I have a small nit. I would have liked to see how performance changed relative to the same time last year, to control for seasonal effects. Image 1 is showing changes on the scale of 1/100 of a second. I'm not an expert in the field, but when you'r looking at signal of that magnitude controlling for noise is…

I think that's what arewefastyet is? https://arewefastyet.com/ Edit- also see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet

If I read the graphs correctly, FF performs worse than both Chrome and Safari on all measurements!?

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by kevincox »

mazugrin2 wrote: post #250

I just found out today that Firefox does not yet support the css has() selector, while Chrome has supported it for over a year now. I get that there are a lot of reasons for this, but it surprised me, I guess. I use Firefox because its fullscreen mode is far better than all the other browsers I've tried on Linux, but it does seem like it's clearly slower to perform and slower to be able to adopt new web 'quasi'-stand…

:has() is Chromium-only right now. Firefox and Safari both have it in preview builds and it is scheduled to be released soon on both.

This is why having more browser diversity is important. We can't have people thinking that "the web" has a feature once Chrome releases it.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by windowsrookie »

sfortis wrote: post #261
windowsrookie wrote: post #107

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It does still matter for people using low-end computers. My MacBook's screen cracked while on vacation recently and I had to buy an emergency laptop. I picked up a device with a Celeron 6305 and 4GB of RAM. I loaded up Firefox like I normally do, and it was so slow and laggy to the point it was unusable. I then switched over to Edge and it performed significantly faster, and was using less of the 4GB of RAM. I was su…

Chromium (new) EDGE or OG?

Chromium based new Edge. I hate all of the Junk Microsoft has added to it. But if you are willing to take the time to turn it all off, it is a much more efficient browser than Chrome or Firefox. I'm not sure what Microsoft has done to optimize it, but on a low-end system it is very noticeable.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by post_break »

snailmailman wrote: post #252
post_break wrote: post #130

Has anyone at firefox used the iOS app? I want you to track what the workflow is to access a password in the app. Tap tap tap left side, right side, can't get out of the settings to check the website while doing so. It's maddening. Besides that... it's lovely.

In iOS you can add Firefox as a password manager auto fill option. Then when you tap in a password field, the relevant passwords should prompt to auto fill. I haven’t tested this with Firefox’s password manager, but I did test in firefox and Bitwarden is auto filling correctly, and in iOS settings I see Firefox is listed as a password manager. It’s settings->passwords->password options. I don’t think apps can automat…

That's not when this is an issue, it's when Firefox doesn't auto fill because it's confused.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by StableAlkyne »

kwanbix wrote: post #173
StableAlkyne wrote: post #6

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I'm not a fan of telemetry in any browser (I love Lynx because of this), but Mozilla is definitely more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft. Edit: I'm not saying that Lynx should be a daily driver or that it's more secure, but it's a neat little project that avoids some of the bad patterns in modern browsers.

How do you expect companies to understand how their products are used for improvement purposes without telemetry? Honest question.

You don't need spyware just to improve a product. Dev teams were able to produce great software before we were constantly online.

If a team is so unfamiliar with their product and customer base that it cannot take action without telemetry, maybe they're not the right team to make that product. Statistics are not a substitute for domain knowledge.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by padenot »

ce4 wrote: post #121
padenot wrote: post #78

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Firefox developer here. There are a few ways to diagnose this, depending on your setup. If everything is frozen on Linux, it's probably the parent process that is having an issue. The "parent process" is the process that oversees all the tabs, it's the top process in a Firefox process tree, the one that has lots of children. If our crash reporter is enabled, you can also just kill the parent process with `SIGABRT`, t…

Wow, thanks for the information! Side question: what can be done on Windows in such a case?

taskkill /F firefox.exe or something like that.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by crashmat »

Alifatisk wrote: post #271
temp0826 wrote: post #63

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I think that's what arewefastyet is? https://arewefastyet.com/ Edit- also see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Areweyet

If I read the graphs correctly, FF performs worse than both Chrome and Safari on all measurements!?

for me there seems to be a clear winner in every category but it is not always a particular browser. Seems they perform better in different areas. However chrome seems to be better in more areas.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by crashmat »

sputr wrote: post #192

Great for them. The mobile app, at least for me, is getting unusuble. I have a crappy phone and reopening a page takes 3x the time opening a new tab and writing the url does. Even then it's still significantly slower than chrome, even with ads. I think it's time I find a different mobile browser with adblocking.

are you talking about android or iOS? Because all iOS browsers are reskinned safari as per apple mandate.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by LoganDark »

mort96 wrote: post #265
LoganDark wrote: post #240

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If the memory is never released back to the OS after it is done being used (or when it is not going to be used), then the browser has failed to release it back to the OS.

The memory is released back to the OS after it is done being used.

If that were the case my OS would not crash due to tens of gigabytes of allocated-but-not-used memory from Firefox
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