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Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Post by dboreham »

darigo wrote: post #257
torial wrote: post #198

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100% agree with this. Also, with the right community, it is possible to have plenty of "socialization" with other kids. My family participates in a parent-led co-op that allows kids to benefit from different strengths in different parents and to have lots of friends. As my kids are neurodivergent, I think this environment has been safer for them and allows them to focus on their passions. There is still some peer pre…

>it is possible to have plenty of "socialization" with other kids. I agree. Public school is not a great place for socialization, and it's not hard to create something better. Nothing socializes kids like sitting next to each other motionless in silence for several hours lol

I'm not sure it's about socializing with other kids. There's also something about being able to function in a hierarchical organization (e.g. the workplace) that may not be developed in a home school environment.

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Post by potta_coffee »

darigo wrote: post #257
torial wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree with this. Also, with the right community, it is possible to have plenty of "socialization" with other kids. My family participates in a parent-led co-op that allows kids to benefit from different strengths in different parents and to have lots of friends. As my kids are neurodivergent, I think this environment has been safer for them and allows them to focus on their passions. There is still some peer pre…

>it is possible to have plenty of "socialization" with other kids. I agree. Public school is not a great place for socialization, and it's not hard to create something better. Nothing socializes kids like sitting next to each other motionless in silence for several hours lol

I went to a violent high school. There were shootings and stabbings. Socialization is overrated.

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Post by ARandomerDude »

jjav wrote: post #337
verisimi wrote: post #326

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> religious indoctrination indoctrination is a given. Do you prefer your secular type, the religious type or the government type?

> indoctrination is a given. Indoctrination is not a given and should never be acceptable in education. What is indoctrination? Here's one dictionary definition: indoctrination: the process of repeating an idea or belief to someone until they accept it without criticism or question Note "accept it without criticism or question". This is the polar opposite of what education should be, which is to encourage investigati…

> what education should be…with a scientific method

Does the scientific method tell you this? It couldn’t have, because this is a philosophical belief not a scientific one. Very likely, you were indoctrinated to believe this.

Not all “doctrine” (teaching) is wrong and not all indoctrination is wrong. But everyone undergoes some form of indoctrination.

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

ejb999 wrote: post #172
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #112

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> Isn't escaping from those officials the whole point? Either because they're failing at their job or doing things that are disagreeable to some subset of the population? It sounds ideal. But we might want at least some oversight and regulation to, for example, make sure kids aren't being homeschooled on how to build rockets and kill some group of people.

because public school kids never kill people?

They generally aren't brainwashed to kill people.

Bad apples will fall from any tree. A poisoned tree will mostly produce bad apples.

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Post by jdminhbg »

haizhung wrote: post #328
marcusverus wrote: post #283

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> The problem is that the public education sector has been - for years - continuously squeezed dry of any funding. Public school spending in the US is up almost 50% in the last 30 years.[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/203118/expenditures-per-...

Thanks for the data! It seems that adjusted for inflation, it still is an overall net decrease (11,500$ in 1990 equals about 27,000$ today).

No, look at the chart again, it's denominated in constant 2021 dollars, i.e., adjusted for inflation. Public school spending has increased.

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Post by torial »

low_common wrote: post #263
torial wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree with this. Also, with the right community, it is possible to have plenty of "socialization" with other kids. My family participates in a parent-led co-op that allows kids to benefit from different strengths in different parents and to have lots of friends. As my kids are neurodivergent, I think this environment has been safer for them and allows them to focus on their passions. There is still some peer pre…

What the heck is neurodivergence?

This link has some good details on it - https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23154-neurodi...

It is a term describing people with mental differences: ASD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Tourettes to name a few.

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Post by Animats »

ryandrake wrote: post #105
pixl97 wrote: post #60

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There are plenty of 'public school' horror stories because these things are public and can be audited in a great number of cases. You don't get to hear the homeschooling horrors when they happen because they are private. Maybe you'll be a therapist and years later get to talk to one of these people how they are effectively crippled for the rest of their life. Or you'll be like me that grew up in a place that had a bu…

> You don't get to hear the homeschooling horrors when they happen because they are private. You're also not going to hear about the homeschooling horrors from the typical HN demographic. Broadly, and obviously with exceptions, there are two groups of parents who choose to homeschool: 1. Parents who have an abundance of educational resources and time and do it to provide a higher quality of education, and 2. Parents…

Right. I've seen #1 in Silicon Valley. One homeschooled girl made it into Harvard. (Unfortunately, she died there in a horse accident.)

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Post by guidoism »

FireBeyond wrote: post #252
jawns wrote: post #150

People talk about homeschooling as if it's one single concept, but it's actually a whole bunch of very dissimilar things. There are people who homeschool because they don't agree with the government's viewpoints, people who homeschool because the public school system has failed their kids, people who homeschool because it just happens to fit their lifestyle. Those are all very different motivations. Likewise, there a…

> Beyond that, there are parents who are well equipped to homeschool and parents who are not. And there is a small but hard-to-ignore percentage who claim to homeschool but really neglect their kids. There's such a disparity between states. States like mine require homeschooled kids to occasionally attend actual school for check in or certain classes, and participate in the same testing (regardless of your opinion of…

I wonder how the neglecters/abusers stay hidden. We are in a state that doesn’t even require notification. As far as the school district is concerned our kids don’t exist. But the medical system definitely knows them. I guess the neglecters/abusers don’t take their kids to their annual well-child visit? Maybe that’s the thing that should be made compulsory?

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Post by [deleted] »

jjav wrote: post #337
verisimi wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> religious indoctrination indoctrination is a given. Do you prefer your secular type, the religious type or the government type?

> indoctrination is a given. Indoctrination is not a given and should never be acceptable in education. What is indoctrination? Here's one dictionary definition: indoctrination: the process of repeating an idea or belief to someone until they accept it without criticism or question Note "accept it without criticism or question". This is the polar opposite of what education should be, which is to encourage investigati…

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Post by seabass-labrax »

jandrese wrote: post #272
low_common wrote: post #263

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What the heck is neurodivergence?

It's almost anything out of the ordinary by definition, but usually refers to children somewhere on the Autism spectrum. They often struggle with being bullied in public school and depending on where they are on the spectrum can cause considerably increased workload for the school or even have outright behavioral problems complete with physical violence. That's extreme and rare thankfully, but even kids with relative…

Tiny suggestion: s/children/people. It's true that it's usually used to refer to children, but that's just because autism is most identifiable in early childhood. Autism (or Asperger's syndrome) is not something you can 'grow out of' or 'cure', because it's a difference in basic cognitive functions.
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