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Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Post by monero-xmr » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:45 PM UTC

throwaway626 wrote: post #156

monero-xmr wrote: post #78

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I clearly stated I am fine for the special needs kids getting more funding. The central point is to give me - the parent - the money that would go to the atrociously bad school so I can put my kids (not special needs) into a good school. That is the situation for the majority of students.

So, to be clear, you’re fine with funding special needs education and etc. as long as it’s someone else footing the bill.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I already pay via my tax dollars $25k on average per student. I’m suggesting reducing that spend, for those that want it for non-special needs kids, and giving the reduced amount to parents to spend on any school they want - or staying in their public school they already have.

The problem is the local public school where everyone in my neighborhood is forced to go (unless they are rich) is dangerous and ranked bottom 5%. That is extremely racist, inequitable, and unfair to people who are forced to attend.

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Post by gemstones » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:45 PM UTC

lapetitejort wrote: post #137

I was home-schooled until high school. Long story short, it was a disaster. I bordered on having no education at all, on top of no socialization. I'm so fortunate I got at least four years of public school. I still think I suffer to this day. For parents who are thinking of home schooling your kids: best of luck to you. If you succeed, maybe your kids will be smarter. If you fail, you could be setting your kids up fo…

For real. It's telling that the kids don't jump in here to defend the practice, hardly ever (also homeschooled, education was great, socialization was absolutely problematic despite doing all the homeschool group things.)

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:46 PM UTC

haizhung wrote: post #261

Am I the only one thinking that home schooling is the wrong solution to the underlying problem? The problem is that the public education sector has been - for years - continuously squeezed dry of any funding. Teachers are quitting left and right, and schools are in a terrible state. Instead of fixing THAT problem, now people homeschool. Ok; I guess. At least homeschooling is something that the individual can control,…

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Post by gemstones » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:46 PM UTC

merpnderp wrote: post #216

lapetitejort wrote: post #137

I was home-schooled until high school. Long story short, it was a disaster. I bordered on having no education at all, on top of no socialization. I'm so fortunate I got at least four years of public school. I still think I suffer to this day. For parents who are thinking of home schooling your kids: best of luck to you. If you succeed, maybe your kids will be smarter. If you fail, you could be setting your kids up fo…

I’m sorry for you bad experience, but statistically kids do better when homeschooled. It’s not like public school as some minimal level they’re assured to bring kids up to.

(Educationally)

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Post by FireBeyond » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:47 PM UTC

AlbertCory wrote: post #208

I kept waiting for the ideology, which is mostly absent from this, but here it is: >Of the 10 districts with the most home-schooled kids in The Post database, nine are in Florida. That’s partly because of the state’s large school districts, but also because its elected officials have grown friendlier to home education as they saddle public schools with politically charged restrictions on what can be taught about race…

No, it's more: "if you homeschool, you, and we are free to not even have to worry about this as an issue, versus us trying with varying degrees of success to lock it out of your kids school".

The two can be entirely compatible.

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Post by bloaf » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:47 PM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #72

asynchronous wrote: post #38

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It is, and article hit pieces like this are exactly why it will continue to expand. Newsflash, there’s an actual large portion of the population that more and more doesn’t want what is taught to their children regulated by the government.

Yeah, there are a number of people out there who only want to teach their kids what's in the Bible. We should all be so lucky as to be a bunch of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidts. Obviously I'm presenting an extreme example, but society at large has a vested interest in ensuring that children, broadly, are educated. I'm not saying there are no problems with regulations, but I hate how the "deregulate everything!" crowd con…

With the laws Florida is toying with around trans youth in education, you think people here would be more understanding of the desire to be able to give the government's regulations the finger.

Saying that the cost of giving persecuted minorities an out is "then we might not be able to persecute the minorities that I've decided actually deserve it" just feels fundamentally unconvincing.

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Post by jeffrallen » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:48 PM UTC

maxwelljoslyn wrote: post #300

jawns wrote: post #150

People talk about homeschooling as if it's one single concept, but it's actually a whole bunch of very dissimilar things. There are people who homeschool because they don't agree with the government's viewpoints, people who homeschool because the public school system has failed their kids, people who homeschool because it just happens to fit their lifestyle. Those are all very different motivations. Likewise, there a…

> Treating all these scenarios as a single thing that you can hold a single, consistent opinion about suggests to me a lack of familiarity with its wide spectrums along multiple dimensions. It's like passing a judgment on a person based on their race, country of origin, gender, etc. A huge +1 to this, from observing the many friends I have who do homeschooling. Judging by their results -- super-smart, super-well-beha…

Your children's future classmates wish you wouldn't keep your children from enriching their shared classroom. You might be just the kind of parent that the school needs to maintain a critical mass of involved parents.

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Post by chasd00 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:48 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #24

krastanov wrote: post #9

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Just FYI, while I share the overall sentiment, I think you are not up to date on the socialization aspect of homeschooling. Typical homeschooling today includes activities where most homeschooled kids from the town gather together for PE or art or other enrichment activities, maybe even specialized academic activities.

There is no such thing as typical homeschooling, in my experience in education (decades and decades). It is extremely dependent on 1. access to wealth, 2. underlying reason for homeschooling (religion/safety/other item), and 3. where in the country you live (rural v suburban v urban). In that order specifically. Homeschooling is the ultimate class solidification technique. Those with wealth can almost certainly guara…

> in my experience in education (decades and decades).

are you a public school teacher by chance? your view seems biased against anyone who does not send their kids to public school.

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Post by doubled112 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:49 PM UTC

KoftaBob wrote: post #274

SoftTalker wrote: post #218

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What do you do to quickly shut down an adult bully?

Sleep with their wife

Well that escalated quickly.

Are you also taking photos for blackmail purposes? That'd very possibly shut the whole thing down.

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Post by rjbwork » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:50 PM UTC

colpabar wrote: post #84

rjbwork wrote: post #77

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This is just not the case. In many states it's nearly completely unregulated, and the home school lobby is working diligently to strip even those regulations.

You didn't answer his question - why are regulations on teaching your own children in your own home so necessary?

Because one of the biggest ways that child abuse is detected and abated is by interaction between students and children. Isolating children in insular communities is a really great way to abuse them and hide the evidence of it.

Regular interaction with non-custodial adults provides more opportunities for child abuse to be uncovered and stopped. You can go on youtube and hear myriad testimonials from former homeschooled kids that were abused for years on end. And nobody knew. Nobody even had a chance to know.