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Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by Osmose »

alwa wrote: post #93
jszymborski wrote: post #14

I trust the Firefox team knows what they're doing and came to the right conclusion re: performance. That said, I have a small nit. I would have liked to see how performance changed relative to the same time last year, to control for seasonal effects. Image 1 is showing changes on the scale of 1/100 of a second. I'm not an expert in the field, but when you'r looking at signal of that magnitude controlling for noise is…

I’m curious what seasonal effects you hypothesize might be in play here. I don’t know enough about the browser performance space to understand what might change: do people really consume a different mix of web technologies through their browsers seasonally? It looks to my naive eyes like the trajectories here are consistent and that the “signal” looks bigger than the variance. The measurements seen consistent with a…

To the first question: Yes. An example would be travel sites and shopping sites getting way more use during holidays. A big one is always December: end of the year holidays mess with usage metrics a ton given how many people take off work or spend time away from their computers, to the point that most companies I've worked at tend to ignore data from that month or try to be very careful about only comparing it to data from December in other years.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by emgeee »

ta1243 wrote: post #3

Since upgrading to 118 I've had random hangs of firefox every few days. Not clear why, no CPU or swap. All windows just freeze and need a "killall firefox", which works - shutting firefox down cleanly. Of course it's impossible to find anything anywhere about this due to search engine spam Was fine for years until 118 and is rare enough to not be able to reliably reproduce it (and thus do things like disabling extens…

throwing in a "same here" -- macosx v118 and 119

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by SkyMarshal »

jeffbee wrote: post #38
StableAlkyne wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of telemetry in any browser (I love Lynx because of this), but Mozilla is definitely more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft. Edit: I'm not saying that Lynx should be a daily driver or that it's more secure, but it's a neat little project that avoids some of the bad patterns in modern browsers.

> I love Lynx because of this Pseudonymous user so concerned about privacy that they use the browser with by far the greatest density of exploitable flaws.

And also probably one of the most distinct footprints.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by noman-land »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #120
noman-land wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla, the legally registered non-profit foundation with a mission statement[0], for sure is more trustworthy than a for-profit data behemoth whose sole revenue comes from collecting as much data a possible, or a for-profit tech company with a history of corporate abuse and user hostile behavior. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

Technically, google doesn't sell people's data. It uses data to train AIs to predict people's behaviour, modify that behaviour, modify attitudes/beliefs (it's an ad company), and eventually replace people

Thanks, I updated my original post because how they profit from the data is immaterial to the fact that they want it and they coax people into letting them collect it.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by southernplaces7 »

aembleton wrote: post #125
orev wrote: post #109

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Firefox is definitely on par with Chrome these days, so if you’re seeing issues like this, I would first suspect that it’s the web sites you have loaded in those 50+ open tabs instead of the browser itself. So many sites use bad JavaScript and that’s often what causes the problems.

> So many sites use bad JavaScript and that’s often what causes the problems Then Firefox needs to handle that better. As an end user, I don't care about the quality of the JS of the sites I want to browse - I just want it to work, and if it works in Chrome but not Firefox then I guess I'll switch to Chrome.

Exactly this. Often with complaints about FF performance someone comes along and says something like the above, about JS or my laptop's hardware, or etc, but if Chrome, with all its shitty tracking, can make those same sites load just fine on nearly any machine, then FF should be able to do the same if it wants more users. I don't care about your browser's problems and exceptions to decent performance. I shouldn't be expected to filter the sorts of sites I visit for the sake of making sure they don't harm my delicate little FF instance. I just want the damn thing to work as other browsers apparently can.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by tombert »

s3p wrote: post #128
tombert wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well wait, I don't think jeffbee was saying it's bad to enjoy things, but rather that the person they were responding to was implying something, namely "Lynx is (in some way) better than Firefox because it doesn't take telemetry data." Lynx definitely takes less telemetry data than Firefox, but it also gets substantially fewer updates, including security updates. I think text-based browsing is pretty fun but I don't…

The person you are replying to is the same person that they are replying to. you can just say "you".

I didn't see that! Silly me!

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by sharno »

My battery with FF on a Macbook Pro with M2 still lasts less than the same device with Chrome. Hope this improves soon.

Ofc, Safari beats them both but I hate Safari's plugins system so I need a browser that doesn't need an AppleID to install plugins.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by kortilla »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #120
noman-land wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla, the legally registered non-profit foundation with a mission statement[0], for sure is more trustworthy than a for-profit data behemoth whose sole revenue comes from collecting as much data a possible, or a for-profit tech company with a history of corporate abuse and user hostile behavior. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

Technically, google doesn't sell people's data. It uses data to train AIs to predict people's behaviour, modify that behaviour, modify attitudes/beliefs (it's an ad company), and eventually replace people

It sells a direct derivative of the data though, which is targeted ads.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by shawnz »

noman-land wrote: post #134
barbariangrunge wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, google doesn't sell people's data. It uses data to train AIs to predict people's behaviour, modify that behaviour, modify attitudes/beliefs (it's an ad company), and eventually replace people

Thanks, I updated my original post because how they profit from the data is immaterial to the fact that they want it and they coax people into letting them collect it.

Doesn't that more general statement now apply to anyone that collects telemetry, even for "noble" purposes, like Mozilla?
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