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Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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Growing up, I had friends from 3 different families of kids that were homeschooled.

The first was my neighbor. I’m not really sure why his parents homeschooled him. He was an only child, and strikingly similar to the character of Cartman from Southpark. Him mom was also strikingly similar to Cartman’s mom. He didn’t learn anything, as his mom was not very strict about making sure he did his lessons. He had terrible social skills and very few life skills, which all came from hobbies that he pursued. He was an intelligent kid, and is struggling today due to generally poor work ethic and few job skills.

The second family was a typical anti-government family with cult-like religious beliefs. They believed God was in charge of their reproductive systems and had way more children than they could care for. It was a huge family. The first born was able to secure a job as an airline attendant, and led a reasonably normal life. Last I heard, many of the rest had succumb to methamphetamine and/or opioid addictions and have been in and out of jail. All of them were substantially undereducated, several with severe speech impediments and none with GEDs or high school diplomas.

The last family were the kids of my family’s pastor. They were generally successful. Their parents were strict, but very involved in their kids’ education. In many ways, they were successful - ahead in reading and math. They were somewhat poorly adapted socially, but had enough relationships through the church to overcome it.

In my experience, it can be a positive thing for children. The success of the children really depends on how involved parents are in making sure their kids needs are met. Sadly, it also seems like many parents who choose to homeschool do so because they don’t personally value education.

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I was home-schooled until high school. Long story short, it was a disaster. I bordered on having no education at all, on top of no socialization. I'm so fortunate I got at least four years of public school. I still think I suffer to this day. For parents who are thinking of home schooling your kids: best of luck to you. If you succeed, maybe your kids will be smarter. If you fail, you could be setting your kids up fo…

People socialised for thousands, in fact hundreds of thousands of years before schools were invented. I went to school and got beat up, colour me sceptical about school as a mechanism for socialisation.

Were they actually socialized for thousands of years? The average (sub)urban school in the US teaches more kids every day than the average person would have come in contact with in their entire lives, often ten times over. Most people were subsistence farmers and didn't travel very far from their little village in their entire life.

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Anecdotally I have worked with many colleagues who were homeschooled. I suspect a correlation with home school children and programmers. Also, just met a ninth grader who enrolled at our local high school after being home schooled. He is programming Rust and taking Calculus with a bunch of seniors. Not sure if he is exceptional or simply was able to fast forward due to being homeschooled.

I find it rather unlikely homeschool process had anything to do with, esp. Rust. At that age I did mostly assembly but that was just personal search/no teaching. Overall the kid is just an anecdote.

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I was home-schooled until high school. Long story short, it was a disaster. I bordered on having no education at all, on top of no socialization. I'm so fortunate I got at least four years of public school. I still think I suffer to this day. For parents who are thinking of home schooling your kids: best of luck to you. If you succeed, maybe your kids will be smarter. If you fail, you could be setting your kids up fo…

You write pretty well based on these few sentences. I have found that nothing improved my writing more than reading authors I liked and being aware of (in some cases adopting or imitating elements of) their writing styles. Did you read a lot on your own?

Pretty much everything I know I picked up in community college about six years after graduating high school with a 2.6 GPA. I like to think I'm a smart and empathetic person. I would love to meet the person who got to use those innate skills at a young age instead of having to dredge up whatever remained after a decade of neglect.

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People talk about homeschooling as if it's one single concept, but it's actually a whole bunch of very dissimilar things. There are people who homeschool because they don't agree with the government's viewpoints, people who homeschool because the public school system has failed their kids, people who homeschool because it just happens to fit their lifestyle. Those are all very different motivations. Likewise, there a…

I have never been homeschooled or homeschooled my children, but as someone who personally knows a looooot of homeschoolers, this has got to be the most accurate assessment of homeschooling I've seen.

The various people I know who homeschool do it for different reasons; like you mentioned, some are entrepreneurs who need to stay mobile as a family, some have lost hope in the educational system and its ability to educate, and one particular friend who is in Mexico has his children in a co-op that consists of a large group of like-minded friends where they divide the curriculum based on area of expertise (e.g., the mechanical engineer teaches math, the fitness couple teaches physical education, the history buff teaches history, etc.).

I don't have the network for a co-op, but hands down, that would be my school of choice for my kids.

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It's like people are reinventing all the same stuff schools do at scale. Can't we be more efficient as a society? Not to mention the privilege that is draped over every detail of this setup.

“I’ll intentionally disadvantage my kids in the name of the ideal of egalitarianism” said basically no parent ever.

I had someone (childless i might add) try to make me feel guilty for pulling my kids out of a school circling the drain and into a high performing one in the name of diversity. I told them, when the time comes, if they want to sacrifice their child on that altar then it's their decision but don't ask me to sacrifice mine.

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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post #150

People talk about homeschooling as if it's one single concept, but it's actually a whole bunch of very dissimilar things. There are people who homeschool because they don't agree with the government's viewpoints, people who homeschool because the public school system has failed their kids, people who homeschool because it just happens to fit their lifestyle. Those are all very different motivations. Likewise, there a…

Thank you. I came here to say this. We're homeschooling, and I made the mistake of reading the train wreck of comments on the Post article. It was irritating how many people were absolutely certain of what homeschooling is and what its shortcomings (or successes) are, when it's nowhere close to being one thing. Homeschooling is defined by what it is not.

Homeschooling because of COVID policies in public schools? Ok, there are some of those, some because things were too strict, some because things were too lenient. For religious reasons? Yes, some people want more of their religion, some want less of others'. Are the parents teaching? Sometimes, sometimes it's a co-op, sometimes it's online, sometimes it's at a community college. (Usually it's a mixture.) Then there are "non-location based charter schools" where the parents receive some of the state per-student funding, ...

It's really hard to find a common thread between all of these scenarios, because there isn't one. Other than not being in a public school. Er... at least, not being in a public school for most of the day, since some people do use bits and pieces from public schools.

"Not-zebras are awful because they're eating my rose bushes!"

Re: Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form of education

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I was home-schooled until high school. Long story short, it was a disaster. I bordered on having no education at all, on top of no socialization. I'm so fortunate I got at least four years of public school. I still think I suffer to this day. For parents who are thinking of home schooling your kids: best of luck to you. If you succeed, maybe your kids will be smarter. If you fail, you could be setting your kids up fo…

People socialised for thousands, in fact hundreds of thousands of years before schools were invented. I went to school and got beat up, colour me sceptical about school as a mechanism for socialisation.

Socialisation here means "learn to accept arbitrary hierarchies and petty injustices as the natural state of the world," not "learn to respect other people as human beings." In fairness, the former probably maps better to the real world.
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