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Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by pivo »

ta1243 wrote: post #3

Since upgrading to 118 I've had random hangs of firefox every few days. Not clear why, no CPU or swap. All windows just freeze and need a "killall firefox", which works - shutting firefox down cleanly. Of course it's impossible to find anything anywhere about this due to search engine spam Was fine for years until 118 and is rare enough to not be able to reliably reproduce it (and thus do things like disabling extens…

Same for me on a mac. I only saw this on 118 and haven't seen them again since upgrading to 119.0

Edit: Spoke too soon. Just happened again while joining a GoogleMeet meeting, if that's relevant.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by PaulHoule »

footlose_3815 wrote: post #65
noman-land wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla, the legally registered non-profit foundation with a mission statement[0], for sure is more trustworthy than a for-profit data behemoth whose sole revenue comes from collecting as much data a possible, or a for-profit tech company with a history of corporate abuse and user hostile behavior. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

I'm not trying to be a contrarian, but Google paid Firefox lots of money to force Google as the default search. Likely an offer they would refuse at their own peril, but I really liked how my search engine settings persisted when I reinstalled. Now it defaults to google. There's also a ton of promoted garbage on your homepage and privacy switches that need to be toggled off by default. Those settings don't carry-over…

There was the “thoroughly pizzled” pocket

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac

on the other hand Microsoft and Facebook are doing this all the time.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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footlose_3815 wrote: post #65
noman-land wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla, the legally registered non-profit foundation with a mission statement[0], for sure is more trustworthy than a for-profit data behemoth whose sole revenue comes from collecting as much data a possible, or a for-profit tech company with a history of corporate abuse and user hostile behavior. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

I'm not trying to be a contrarian, but Google paid Firefox lots of money to force Google as the default search. Likely an offer they would refuse at their own peril, but I really liked how my search engine settings persisted when I reinstalled. Now it defaults to google. There's also a ton of promoted garbage on your homepage and privacy switches that need to be toggled off by default. Those settings don't carry-over…

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by brianbreslin »

So firefox was ahead of the pack on the add-ons/extensions game, but then didn't push it or support it after a while. Now after years of chrome having a few integrations or add-ons that make my life easier, i have a hard time switching back to firefox even though chrome is such a giant memory hog. These aggregator moats are real that stratechery talks about.

Maybe I'll give firefox another shot.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by mike_hock »

> Collecting data while holding ourselves to the highest standards of privacy can be challenging.

Yes, explaining away a blatant self-contradiction can be challenging.

You're not holding yourselves to the highest standards of privacy, you've explicitly prioritized data collection over privacy.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by StableAlkyne »

tombert wrote: post #79
StableAlkyne wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friend, it is okay to enjoy things. Lynx is just a cool project :)

Well wait, I don't think jeffbee was saying it's bad to enjoy things, but rather that the person they were responding to was implying something, namely "Lynx is (in some way) better than Firefox because it doesn't take telemetry data." Lynx definitely takes less telemetry data than Firefox, but it also gets substantially fewer updates, including security updates. I think text-based browsing is pretty fun but I don't…

I can see how the post could be interpreted that way. I've added an edit at the bottom to clarify that I'm not suggesting people actually use it as they main one.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by worthless-trash »

bombledmonk wrote: post #76

The killer app for Firefox is it still allows some flexibility in tab management. Sidebery and TreeStyleTab have been my anchors in the FF ecosystem. The experience is so vastly superior for tab hoarders and tab-todo methodology that I really can't imagine using something else. I also use FF on android because it has ublock origin and dark reader addons. This make browsing the web on mobile far better. I actually hol…

In regards to treestyletab did you get rid of the top tabs or do you have both on your screen. I feel like i lost quite a lot of real estate on smaller screens with both.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by user3939382 »

Doches wrote: post #2

> We’ve been motivated by the improvements we’re seeing in our telemetry data, and we’re convinced that our efforts this year are having a positive effect on Firefox users. Mozilla gets a lot of flak (especially around here!) for their sometimes heavy-handed usage analytics, but it's nice to see that used for its stated purpose! Great use of data here.

I just don't like being bullshitted. Constant marketing about privacy while they're phoning home a bunch of data when you start and stop the browser. I did at some point find a doc page with a zillion steps to disable all of it but that doesn't remediate the hypocrisy IMHO.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by ceejayoz »

user3939382 wrote: post #89
Doches wrote: post #2

> We’ve been motivated by the improvements we’re seeing in our telemetry data, and we’re convinced that our efforts this year are having a positive effect on Firefox users. Mozilla gets a lot of flak (especially around here!) for their sometimes heavy-handed usage analytics, but it's nice to see that used for its stated purpose! Great use of data here.

I just don't like being bullshitted. Constant marketing about privacy while they're phoning home a bunch of data when you start and stop the browser. I did at some point find a doc page with a zillion steps to disable all of it but that doesn't remediate the hypocrisy IMHO.

A zillion?

Preferences > Privacy > Firefox Data Collection and Use. Uncheck a couple boxes.

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