Yay! Happily using Firefox since 3.5 release. Keep going guys.
Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Mozilla definitely hold a public perception of being more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft 100% true, definitely
Mozilla, the legally registered non-profit foundation with a mission statement[0], for sure is more trustworthy than a for-profit data behemoth whose sole revenue comes from collecting as much data a possible, or a for-profit tech company with a history of corporate abuse and user hostile behavior. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/
That's the Mozilla Foundation, the Mozilla Corporation is the for-profit developer of Firefox that's owned by the Foundation. If Mozilla never established the Corporation I'd give them more slack, but from a "it's nonprofit" perspective it's on the same level as IKEA, which is also owned by a nonprofit foundation.
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I love Lynx because of this Pseudonymous user so concerned about privacy that they use the browser with by far the greatest density of exploitable flaws.
If it doesn't run JavaScript it immediately loses most attack surface relative to other browsers.
It also doesn’t (nor can it) load images, which is #2
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#74In the Speedometer 2, Firefox is much slower than Chrome, which is a bit slower than Edge. But who cares! In real life, this makes no real difference. I respect and trust the privacy of Mozilla. Features like containers and the ability to run Ublock and Tampermonkey on mobile are priceless!
All of the major browsers are probably fast enough for now. It would be nice to see the emphasis shift to decreasing power consumption.
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#75In the Speedometer 2, Firefox is much slower than Chrome, which is a bit slower than Edge. But who cares! In real life, this makes no real difference. I respect and trust the privacy of Mozilla. Features like containers and the ability to run Ublock and Tampermonkey on mobile are priceless!
With a 75 MBPS connection, FF loads everything I need instantaneously.
Who cares about benchmarks?
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#76The killer app for Firefox is it still allows some flexibility in tab management. Sidebery and TreeStyleTab have been my anchors in the FF ecosystem. The experience is so vastly superior for tab hoarders and tab-todo methodology that I really can't imagine using something else. I also use FF on android because it has ublock origin and dark reader addons. This make browsing the web on mobile far better. I actually hold little allegiance to FF as whole, I just haven't found any Chromium based browser that works as well for me.
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#77Graphs like https://hacks.mozilla.org/files/2023/10/FCPRUM.png which don't start at zero on the y-axis are very misleading.
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#78Since upgrading to 118 I've had random hangs of firefox every few days. Not clear why, no CPU or swap. All windows just freeze and need a "killall firefox", which works - shutting firefox down cleanly. Of course it's impossible to find anything anywhere about this due to search engine spam Was fine for years until 118 and is rare enough to not be able to reliably reproduce it (and thus do things like disabling extens…
Firefox developer here. There are a few ways to diagnose this, depending on your setup. If everything is frozen on Linux, it's probably the parent process that is having an issue. The "parent process" is the process that oversees all the tabs, it's the top process in a Firefox process tree, the one that has lots of children.
If our crash reporter is enabled, you can also just kill the parent process with `SIGABRT`, this will produce an entry in `about:crashes` that you can look up on restart, and submit. This will then give a link to our crash reporting front-end.
If you have `gdb` and `debuginfod` on your distro, and you're using your distro's Firefox, attach `gdb` to the parent process of Firefox, let it download symbols, and do `thread all apply bt`, this will dump the stacks of all the threads of your parent process.
If you're using one of our Firefox builds, you can use https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/crashreporte..., that will integrate with our own symbol servers. Depending on your distro this might or might not work on your distro's Firefox (some distros submit their symbols to our infra to help diagnosing crashes).
Once you have some info about the crash, you can open a ticket on your distro bug tracker, or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Core to reach us directly, attaching the stacks, Firefox version, crash report, about:support, or anything else that you think is relevant.
Oftentimes, those freezes (on Linux) are caused by a bug between Firefox and the desktop environment, or by graphics drivers, that kind of thing, and stacks allow narrowing down the issue greatly, sometimes it's just a package update or a configuration flip away!
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I love Lynx because of this Pseudonymous user so concerned about privacy that they use the browser with by far the greatest density of exploitable flaws.
Friend, it is okay to enjoy things. Lynx is just a cool project :)
Well wait, I don't think jeffbee was saying it's bad to enjoy things, but rather that the person they were responding to was implying something, namely "Lynx is (in some way) better than Firefox because it doesn't take telemetry data."
Lynx definitely takes less telemetry data than Firefox, but it also gets substantially fewer updates, including security updates. I think text-based browsing is pretty fun but I don't really use it in no small part because of the infrequency of updates.
Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023
#80Gotta say I’ve been using Firefox for years as my daily driver and it has been great. Maybe it is because I’m running on higher end machines for the most part, but I’ve had no complaints with it across Linux, windows, and Mac.