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Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

lxgr wrote: post #27
Doches wrote: post #2

> We’ve been motivated by the improvements we’re seeing in our telemetry data, and we’re convinced that our efforts this year are having a positive effect on Firefox users. Mozilla gets a lot of flak (especially around here!) for their sometimes heavy-handed usage analytics, but it's nice to see that used for its stated purpose! Great use of data here.

Happy to see the top comment on a Mozilla/Firefox article not being somebody grinding their axe with Mozilla (and I say that as somebody definitely having a few) :)

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Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by pcwalton »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #12
bingemaker wrote: post #9

When more and more parts of FF are written in rust, I thought FF will get a lot faster. But for the past 1 year, I can only see marginal improvements w.r.t speed. And occasionally FF hangs when I have 20 tabs opened.

Why would you think that? Rust is certainly a little bit slower than C/C++

They use the same compiler backend and you can generate pretty much any LLVM IR you want with Rust. You can argue about the performance characteristics of the kind of code the language encourages you to write, but a blanket statement like that isn't true.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by chrisjc »

Zekio wrote: post #7
Doches wrote: post #2

> We’ve been motivated by the improvements we’re seeing in our telemetry data, and we’re convinced that our efforts this year are having a positive effect on Firefox users. Mozilla gets a lot of flak (especially around here!) for their sometimes heavy-handed usage analytics, but it's nice to see that used for its stated purpose! Great use of data here.

Especially considering that google and microsoft probably collects 10x the data

While you're probably right and we should be concerned, I'd say what is more concerning that than the quantity is the content.

Whenever I hear that an app is collecting telemetry I feel conflicted between leaving it on for maintainers to gain a better understanding of performance and potential issues, or off so that it's not used to profile me.

It would be nice if telemetry was somehow simply differentiated through some app options.

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by StableAlkyne »

jeffbee wrote: post #38
StableAlkyne wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of telemetry in any browser (I love Lynx because of this), but Mozilla is definitely more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft. Edit: I'm not saying that Lynx should be a daily driver or that it's more secure, but it's a neat little project that avoids some of the bad patterns in modern browsers.

> I love Lynx because of this Pseudonymous user so concerned about privacy that they use the browser with by far the greatest density of exploitable flaws.

Friend, it is okay to enjoy things. Lynx is just a cool project :)

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

bingemaker wrote: post #42
bingemaker wrote: post #9

When more and more parts of FF are written in rust, I thought FF will get a lot faster. But for the past 1 year, I can only see marginal improvements w.r.t speed. And occasionally FF hangs when I have 20 tabs opened.

Not sure why am I getting down voted for posting an observation :shrug:

>Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by noman-land »

smegsicle wrote: post #19
StableAlkyne wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of telemetry in any browser (I love Lynx because of this), but Mozilla is definitely more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft. Edit: I'm not saying that Lynx should be a daily driver or that it's more secure, but it's a neat little project that avoids some of the bad patterns in modern browsers.

> Mozilla definitely hold a public perception of being more trustworthy than Google or Microsoft 100% true, definitely

Mozilla, the legally registered non-profit foundation with a mission statement[0], for sure is more trustworthy than a for-profit data behemoth whose sole revenue comes from collecting as much data a possible, or a for-profit tech company with a history of corporate abuse and user hostile behavior.

[0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by unethical_ban »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #29
nfriedly wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fake users?

“Firefox got faster for real users…” why include “real”? Are there fake users? Just strange phrasing.

I assume it implies "we base our claims on data from real users, not artificial metrics"

Re: Firefox got faster for real users in 2023

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Post by chrisjc »

oldshatterhand wrote: post #45
QuarterReptile wrote: post #4

I was a consistent Firefox user, probably for the past 15 years, but I recently switched to Brave and Edge after too much frustration with power consumption. Firefox makes my laptop shriek, while the other 2 normally don't cause the fan to start at all. Does anyone actually care about loading speeds (apart from the necessary ad blocking)?

I had to switch from Firefox to Safari on my M1 Max 16" MacBook Pro because the battery drains in a few hours. I experimented a lot with turning different plugins on and off, but the power draw remained almost constant.

Interesting. Up until recently I was on a intel Mac and Firefox was always in the list of "Apps Using Significant Energy". I don't know if it coincided with some Firefox improvement, but after switching to an M2 it has never show up since.

Fortunately it never affected any need to switch to another browser since I'm plugged in 95% of the time.

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