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Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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The HN title matches the article headline, but the article headline is horribly inaccurate.

This is not about making ransom payments illegal, as many commenters have assumed. They are setting up an international information-sharing system to help track cryptocurrency wallets that are receiving ransom payments.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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So there's that woman I follow who used to work in hostage and ransom negotiation business, and she's adamant there's no such thing as "no negotiations with terrorists" no matter public rhetoric or legislation. When push comes to shove, side channels and loopholes are inevitably found and third party contractors like her are getting hired. I strongly suspect this too will end up mostly a jurisdiction/accounting nuanc…

One, this article is not about banning crypto ransom. Two, if you wanted to do that, you’d criminalise it with the threat of sanctions. At that point your K&R retiree and anyone who signed off on paying them would be fugitives in almost anywhere in the world.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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post #14

So there's that woman I follow who used to work in hostage and ransom negotiation business, and she's adamant there's no such thing as "no negotiations with terrorists" no matter public rhetoric or legislation. When push comes to shove, side channels and loopholes are inevitably found and third party contractors like her are getting hired. I strongly suspect this too will end up mostly a jurisdiction/accounting nuanc…

>...there's no such thing as "no negotiations with terrorists" no matter public rhetoric or legislation.

I've heard this as well. A professor was flying into a less than stable area or Afghanistan and for some reason they were descending just like a normal commercial flight.

"What are you doing, we're going to get shot down!". He was used to a steep descent or a spiral to the runway to minimize the risk of getting hit.

They then explained they had a deal with the local warlord. The military provided barrels of used oil from all their ground vehicles, and in exchange they don't fire on the airplanes as they takeoff or land. The warlord burns the oil for heating, and the military doesn't need to deal with (hopefully correctly) disposing of large quantities of used oil.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fairly sure the 14th century hammer works just fine in hammering the 21st century nail.

Hey, but I can sell you a 21st century e-hammer with AuthentiCode licensing. Swing power savings of up to 2% can be achieved. (Requires constant internet connection).

Sell?! Where’s your recurring? It’s a subscription model (paid yearly up front), with mandatory upgrades and a brutal depreciation policy

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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>Neuberger told journalists a new “black list” will also be created by the US treasury department to identify and highlight digital wallets being used to deposit and move ransomware payments. >The establishment of these information sharing platforms means that “if one country is attacked, others can quickly be defended”, Neuberger said. pardon the dust whilst I apply my 14th century naval hammer to this clearly 21st…

I'm fairly sure the 14th century hammer works just fine in hammering the 21st century nail.

Can we get letters of marque as NFTs?

C'mon, anything to make the cyberpunk future less lame than it's turned out to be.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

#37
post #14

So there's that woman I follow who used to work in hostage and ransom negotiation business, and she's adamant there's no such thing as "no negotiations with terrorists" no matter public rhetoric or legislation. When push comes to shove, side channels and loopholes are inevitably found and third party contractors like her are getting hired. I strongly suspect this too will end up mostly a jurisdiction/accounting nuanc…

One, this article is not about banning crypto ransom. Two, if you wanted to do that, you’d criminalise it with the threat of sanctions. At that point your K&R retiree and anyone who signed off on paying them would be fugitives in almost anywhere in the world.

As long as you have a non-signatory among otherwise first world nations (and there's always a handful on any treaty) there absolutely will be a legal way that you can't do much about.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't surprise me if places like Nigeria have a bunch of semi-whitewashed English speaking faces/voices to perform this kind of grey area work. Even better if some of their family is part of a hostage taking gang so they can burn the candle from both ends.

Nigeria (my country) is pretty bad, but we don't do ransomware, lol.

I responded to a comment on hostage and ransom negotiation business. Hostages aren't normally considered ransomware, although said negotiators would have excellent overlapping skill set.

Travel.gov has an advisory for hostage taking in your country. I can assure you there are well spoken negotiators in your nation to deal with that.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

#39
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One, this article is not about banning crypto ransom. Two, if you wanted to do that, you’d criminalise it with the threat of sanctions. At that point your K&R retiree and anyone who signed off on paying them would be fugitives in almost anywhere in the world.

As long as you have a non-signatory among otherwise first world nations (and there's always a handful on any treaty) there absolutely will be a legal way that you can't do much about.

> there absolutely will be a legal way that you can't do much about

No, that’s what the sanctions threat is for. It may be possible. But now you’re in the company of money launderers and terrorism financiers.

To be clear, I don’t think this is necessary. But it’s naïve to imagine it’s beyond D.C.’s capacity.

Re: Alliance of 40 countries to vow not to pay ransom to cybercriminals, US says

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So there's that woman I follow who used to work in hostage and ransom negotiation business, and she's adamant there's no such thing as "no negotiations with terrorists" no matter public rhetoric or legislation. When push comes to shove, side channels and loopholes are inevitably found and third party contractors like her are getting hired. I strongly suspect this too will end up mostly a jurisdiction/accounting nuanc…

We should make it a criminal offense with severe penalties to pay any sort of ransom regardless of the consequences. Use the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act as a model. Even if it means hostages will die or businesses will be destroyed, that is an acceptable price to pay in order to cut off funding to terrorists and other criminals.
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