.io considered harmful • Hacker News Board

Re: .io considered harmful

#41

Post by Turing_Machine » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #35

durkie wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is it a "virtue signal"? what are they signalling? i'm curious where morality fits in to anything in your worldview if telling the (well-documented) history of a forcible displacement of a people is "virtue signalling" and "getting the morality into it".

Virtue signaling is the expression of a conspicuous, self-righteous moral viewpoint with the intent of communicating good character. It doesn't actually have to be virtuous, it only needs to signal virtue to others. Virtue signalling usually does not genuinely solve anything anyway it's merely supposed to impress upon you that "this person is good", that's the entire goal. Whether it's meaningful or not doesn't enter…

A prime example: "Acknowledging that you're on Comanche (or whoever) land".

This "acknowledgment" never seems to involve paying any rent to the Comanche for being on "their land", nor doing anything else that actually benefits the Comanche.

Taking the 15 seconds to add this to your social media profile means you can signal to everyone what a Good Person you are without ever having to actually do anything.

Re: .io considered harmful

#42

Post by SXX » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

column wrote: post #25

teddyh wrote: post #2

I would go further and say this: Never treat foreign ccTLD’s (two-letter domains) as anything you can just register and use a domain in. You should only ever use a ccTLD of your own country or region you actually have your main presence in. Your domain name is often your most secure key to your entire online identity, and you want that to be on as a secure legal footing as possible. Older discussion here: https://new…

what about .me ?

> .me is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Montenegro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.me

Re: .io considered harmful

#43

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

earthboundkid wrote: post #31

dwardu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is clearly a virtue signal. If the person developing the solution doesnt want to pay for the .io domain, then so be it. They don't have to get the morality into it.

And posting your comment is vice signaling.

[deleted]

Re: .io considered harmful

#44

Post by CivBase » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

Let me get this straight... the UK and US did some awful stuff and you're asking us to respond by boycotting a TLD which has no meaningful connection to said awful stuff?

Thanks for letting me know about the Chagossian tragedy, but this boycot just sounds silly to me.

Re: .io considered harmful

#45

Post by javajosh » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

durkie wrote: post #19

dwardu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is clearly a virtue signal. If the person developing the solution doesnt want to pay for the .io domain, then so be it. They don't have to get the morality into it.

how is it a "virtue signal"? what are they signalling? i'm curious where morality fits in to anything in your worldview if telling the (well-documented) history of a forcible displacement of a people is "virtue signalling" and "getting the morality into it".

I think you ably demonstrate the all or nothing fallacy that powers this type of bully advocacy. My way or the highway is used to get people on the same page at first. Then it's used to make more and more tenuous assertions about morality, assertions which coincidentally conform very specifically and in great detail to the needs wants desires and worldviews of the bully.

The sooner the victim rejects the entire program, the better. Morality is not and has never been a simple issue easily resolved by dogma. In fact, I'd argue the the worst periods of human misery are dominated by dogmatic thinking and righteous bullying. It is bitterly ironic that people who enjoy the fruit of freedom willfully seek to undermine that progress. It is everyone's right to be stupid if they so choose but so too. Is it my right to judge them self-destructive and contemptible.

Re: .io considered harmful

#46

Post by riffic » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

Eumenes wrote: post #21

dwardu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is clearly a virtue signal. If the person developing the solution doesnt want to pay for the .io domain, then so be it. They don't have to get the morality into it.

exactly, the 'about' page, is all I needed to see

rad that only makes me like the author more.

Re: .io considered harmful

#47

Post by varispeed » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 3:04 PM UTC

This sounds like someone who couldn't buy their desired .io domain and now sounds bitter about it trying to spoil it for everyone.

Re: .io considered harmful

#48

Post by regnull » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 3:11 PM UTC

KaiserPro wrote: post #40

The article starts with "everything is FACT" then ends with: Every .io domain you buy funds a government committing crimes against humanity. Every .io domain you renew legitimises and reinforces the continued exile of the Chagossians. which is hyperbole at best, and bollocks at worst. .io isn't sold or owned by the british (or US) government Most people don't understand what .io is for, moreover the UK goverment has…

Weird. Also:

> And so, Britain traded the land illegally.

Whoa, strong claim. Probably backed by facts below? Nope. At the same time, Wikipedia:

> In November 1965, the UK purchased the entire Chagos Archipelago from the then self-governing colony of Mauritius for £3 million to create the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT).

So, they bought it for 3 million pounds. Doesn't seem illegal to me.

Re: .io considered harmful

#49

Post by alexvitkov » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 3:12 PM UTC

teddyh wrote: post #39

column wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what about .me ?

Are you a citizen of Montenegro? If you are, feel free to use it! Otherwise, I suggest that you use something else.

Hello,

I am an official representarive of the Balkan countries. A non-negligable chunk of our GDP is based on random Rust projects using Serbia's .rs and of course .me. If you stop using our TLDs our ecobomies will collapse.

Kind regards,

The Balkans

Re: .io considered harmful

#50

Post by KronisLV » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 3:14 PM UTC

KaiserPro wrote: post #40

The article starts with "everything is FACT" then ends with: Every .io domain you buy funds a government committing crimes against humanity. Every .io domain you renew legitimises and reinforces the continued exile of the Chagossians. which is hyperbole at best, and bollocks at worst. .io isn't sold or owned by the british (or US) government Most people don't understand what .io is for, moreover the UK goverment has…

> Every .io domain you renew legitimises and reinforces the continued exile of the Chagossians.

The history there is unfortunate (although the history lesson itself is welcome), but at the same time this is akin to saying: you should boycott products and services from the UK/US. If you feel that way, you can try to do that, but I get the feeling that purely logistically that would get pretty difficult to do. Looking at every piece of food you buy at the store, to see where it's from, looking at every website of the companies that you want to do business with. You might lose access to a lot of hardware, appliances and even the majority of the websites out there to make a stand.

I get why one might single out the .io domains for symbolic reasons, but at the same time most people probably think of something like I/O and haven't even heard of Chagos Archipelago, ergo there's not a lot of intentional legitimization/reinforcement of any kind going on.