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Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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> Why would any human spend their limited lifespan to create a piece of work that will be grabbed without permission Creative people will create regardless of financial incentives. Fan fiction and free art is already everywhere, for instance.

In your universe apparently "creative people" don't need to spend a lifetime of study to hone their art, don't need food and shelter every single day etc. Its amazing how callous tech people have become as they salivate for their unicorns or whatever they are pursuing.

It's a delightful irony that the comment directly above yours is from an artist that has used generative art for those commercial purposes you think are so essential, and felt liberated and inspired in their personal time to be even more creative in ways that are not commercially viable.

Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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You seemed to miss the part where the judge said that the only things that can be claimed as copyrighted are those things that were submitted to the USPTO for specific narrow coptright "The other problem for plaintiffs is that it is simply not plausible that every Training Image used to train Stable Diffusion was copyrighted (as opposed to copyrightable), or that all DeviantArt users’ Output Images rely upon (theoret…

> In this case the Judge chose to say, in effect: unless you have explicitly copyrighted it, it's fair use No, this has always been the case. The judge ruled nothing new. You cannot sue someone for copyright unless you first register the copyright. https://www.nycbar.org/get-legal-help/article/intellectual-p... .

You're arguing something slightly different. The artist has copyright as soon as the work is published, whether they register it or not. You can't sue unless you've registered.

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html https://copyrightalliance.org/faqs/why-register-copyright/

Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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Can somebody explain how this will not kill any incentive to publish anything? Why would any human spend their limited lifespan to create a piece of work that will be grabbed without permission, approximated algorithmically (at least on the surface) and reused in infinite possible small variations without any attribution or remuneration whatsoever? This feels like a reversion to medieval times with minimal trade betw…

You are applying an outdated mental framework to AI, not to mention a falacious view on the relation between copyright protection and the incentive for art. Have in mind that millions of humans have historically produced enormous amounts of art with no copyright protection of any kind. The protections you are trying to defend are a relatively recent phenomenon (~200 years); arguably, some of our best art was created well before these protections existed!

Additionally, the beauty of contemporary AI is that it's much more similar to the mechanism of inspiration and learning that humans employ than, let's say, the literal copy of a photo. I think it's reasonable for an artist to limit the visibility of their work and prohibit their images from being shared online and used by AI training - but this must apply across the board. If their image is public in a way that anyone could see it, and be inspired by it, then they need to accept that the AI could be equally "inspired" by it.

If you want an easy, concrete example of the process of inspiration and copying taking place for humans, just look at Animes. Styles are imitated by humans left and right, with no concern of original artists losing their livelihood. Human Anime artists copy their idols when learning to draw, oftentimes producing literal imitations for years before starting to produce their own original work, which to be honest usually greatly resembles the source of inspiration (PS: I like Animes, but most of it is very similar in terms of artistic style).

Do humans ever really "invent" any art? Or are the artistic innovators simply a mix of influence of existing art, the natural images of nature/life plus a spice of randomness? Because that's pretty much how AI art functions.

Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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People like to create things regardless of profit motive, like art, who woulda thunk it? I don't understand how people think this will suddenly make human art vanish, that is just ridiculous and naive. People will spend their limited lifespan to make art, because that's what humans just do. Cavemen weren't being paid to paint on the walls. Your viewpoint is honestly insane. The people against AI art are bonkers.

In your infinite sanity you have not answered my question of how a creative person will dedicate their life (starting from long studies) producing something that society will not reward in any way.

In their freetime? Do you not have any? Should society reward people who want to dedicate to something that has no inherent survival benefit? Should that not be something done in ones own time?

Why is society obligated to pay artists? It isn't.

Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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Can somebody explain how this will not kill any incentive to publish anything? Why would any human spend their limited lifespan to create a piece of work that will be grabbed without permission, approximated algorithmically (at least on the surface) and reused in infinite possible small variations without any attribution or remuneration whatsoever? This feels like a reversion to medieval times with minimal trade betw…

I despise the underlying belief here. That belief that the only reason people create art is based on desires for fame and monetary gain. Which is so demonstrably incorrect that it boggles my mind. This is where centuries of copyright law have gotten us, brainwashing people into thinking ideas are property ("intellectual property") and should be treated as rivalrous goods, and that the only reason to be an artist is t…

You are going on an irrelevant tangent (whether people enjoying being creative - which is obviously true at least for some) instead of answering a very clear and simple question: how, in your evolved and less broken universe, will talented people dedicate their life to produce something that society does not acknowledge or reward but simply appropriates.

Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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Can somebody explain how this will not kill any incentive to publish anything? Why would any human spend their limited lifespan to create a piece of work that will be grabbed without permission, approximated algorithmically (at least on the surface) and reused in infinite possible small variations without any attribution or remuneration whatsoever? This feels like a reversion to medieval times with minimal trade betw…

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Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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... but you do have a rent to pay for? You know that artists also have to live somewhere? Why do we have stars on github? Maybe not for fame, but it is a good indicator of how somebody is good. Fame is important. We do not make github repositories for "stars", but I think it is a good motivator for people to continue what they're doing. If there is an author who spent years of his life into producing some kind of mus…

You can pay rent by other means than art. Adapt or be homeless.

If any work is used for AI training, then the author should be paid. I hope that artists will be protected.

Abide the law, or meet consequences?

Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

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Can somebody explain how this will not kill any incentive to publish anything? Why would any human spend their limited lifespan to create a piece of work that will be grabbed without permission, approximated algorithmically (at least on the surface) and reused in infinite possible small variations without any attribution or remuneration whatsoever? This feels like a reversion to medieval times with minimal trade betw…

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Re: Judge pares down artists' AI copyright lawsuit against Midjourney, Stability AI

#220

Can somebody explain how this will not kill any incentive to publish anything? Why would any human spend their limited lifespan to create a piece of work that will be grabbed without permission, approximated algorithmically (at least on the surface) and reused in infinite possible small variations without any attribution or remuneration whatsoever? This feels like a reversion to medieval times with minimal trade betw…

I despise the underlying belief here. That belief that the only reason people create art is based on desires for fame and monetary gain. Which is so demonstrably incorrect that it boggles my mind. This is where centuries of copyright law have gotten us, brainwashing people into thinking ideas are property ("intellectual property") and should be treated as rivalrous goods, and that the only reason to be an artist is t…

I didn't get that from the poster you're replying to. I agree with you that people will create because people are people and want to create.

But people also have to eat, need shelter, want kids, have to take care of health issues, and so on. For that they need money. If they can't get money from their creations they'll spend less time creating and more time engaging in activity that generates returns.

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