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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by concinds »

logicchains wrote: post #25
ReptileMan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.

You're kidding surely. that quote comes from random social media posts. A rather lazy narrative by VoA, which will get its readers to stereotype China as anti-Semitic, or as being more tolerant of anti-Semitism than the West, stereotypes you seem to have accepted too, when none of that is empirically established.

It's a strange motte-and-bailey, where media outlets are factual ("here are a few tweets"), but are always interpreted in irrational ways ("XYZ group has a big problem with ABC"), since average people are known to falsely generalize based on anecdotes. I'll take such articles seriously when they start presenting quantified empirical data. I'll be waiting a while.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by hnbad »

logicchains wrote: post #11
teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

That's a very deliberate misrepresentation and oversimplification.

China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity.

China is also anti-Israel because Israel is a close ally of the US and majority Muslim countries normalising relationships with Israel aligns them closer with the US.

Also, the non-Chinese version of Weibo (Twitter, or X) is also basically Gab at this point and flooded with antisemitic and anti-Israel (but also anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim) posts. The owner has even shared antisemitic accounts and posts himself. That doesn't seem to be a good yardstick for anything.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by badcppdev »

ReptileMan wrote: post #77
jwestbury wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. I'm curious what you're defining as antisemitic here. I've seen a lot of claims that being anti-Israeli-government is equivalent to antisemitism, but this is objectively not the case.

From the top of my head - direct praises of hamas, sharing of the paratrooper meme, sharing of the star of david beheading babies meme and generally a lot of people direct or indirect calling that the Israeli deserved it. There are a lot of Mia Khalifas out there. Since october 7th there I have observed (probably because a lot of people I follow on twitter are jewish, so they kinda amplify the nasty content) serious…

So we have a phenomena where people of group X report anti-X content. Is there an accepted term for that? Not quite the Streisand effect.

I wonder how much that contributes to the viralness(virality?) of some of this hate speech? It's definitely not healthy and a good reason to get off social media.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

hnbad wrote: post #92
logicchains wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

That's a very deliberate misrepresentation and oversimplification. China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. China is also anti-Israel because Israel is a close ally of the US and majority Muslim countries normalising relationships with Israel aligns them closer with the US. Also, the non-Chinese version of Weibo (Twitter, or X) is also b…

> China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity.

A muslim is not an islamist [1], your simplification is concerning, China officially recognize Islam [2], and Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy

Stick to the facts please

[1] - https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-...

[2] - https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-r....

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by infamia »

bigger_inside wrote: post #86
jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

it also has little incentive to do so, as it's positioning itself as a possible mediator, one that also does a lot of business with Israel. And remember, the thing that led to the short animosity between China and the Soviet Union (well, one of the things) was that the SU was a country with a mission to spread its system, while China wasn't, and isn't. China seeks to do business with everyone without telling them how…

> China seeks to do business with everyone without telling them how to run their affairs, quite unlike the US.

Tell that to the Austrailians and now the Israelis, where China has sent a naval task force. China is building aircraft carriers like nobody's businesss for force remote projection, which is the one thing they're really good at. China has the same desire to project force as the US, they simply lack the means to do so as effectively. Their recent actions in the Gulf is proof enough of that.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by infamia »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #96
hnbad wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very deliberate misrepresentation and oversimplification. China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. China is also anti-Israel because Israel is a close ally of the US and majority Muslim countries normalising relationships with Israel aligns them closer with the US. Also, the non-Chinese version of Weibo (Twitter, or X) is also b…

> China is very much anti-Muslim because Islamists pose a threat to its absolute power and its projected illusion of unity. A muslim is not an islamist [1], your simplification is concerning, China officially recognize Islam [2], and Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy Stick to the facts please [1] - https://humanists.international/blog/the-difference-between-... [2] - https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-rep…

> Uyghurs weren't subject to the 1 child policy

It is far worse than the one child policy. Many were subjected to sterilization and involuntary birth control.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by happytoexplain »

master_crab wrote: post #83
zmgsabst wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should Israel respond as if this is less serious than China does when Taiwan is listed on a map? China is extremely offended when that happens — and should be held to the same standard, regarding others.

China is extremely offended by a lot of things done by a lot of countries. Welcome to the club. What this definitely is not is a major provocation.

>China is extremely offended by a lot of things done by a lot of countries

Yes, that's bad. Hence, "should be held to the same standard". You may reasonably disagree with that, but as it stands your implication is that the more bad things a country does, the less we should care.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by aaomidi »

hluska wrote: post #37
jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

The obvious alternative explanations?? Like they just randomly and accidentally decided to erase an entire state? Particularly an extremely contested state? Give me a break - you’re really not making a good argument.

This literally happens constantly in contested regions, even on google maps.
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