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Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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Interesting concept that raised the question for me: What is the primary limiting factor right now that prevents LLM’s or any other AI model to go “end to end” on programming a full software solution or full design/engineering solution? Is it token limitations or accuracy the further you get into the solution?

I guess this would be the context window size in the case of LLMs.

Edit: On second thought, maybe at a certain minimum context window size it is possible to cajole the instructions in such a way that you at any point in the process make the LLM work at a suitable level of abstraction more like humans do.

Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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Google has been using machine learning for chip design since at least 2021: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03544-w Hasn't brought about the singularity yet.

That’s the best thing about a singularity, you often can’t tell when you cross the event horizon.

Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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Interesting concept that raised the question for me: What is the primary limiting factor right now that prevents LLM’s or any other AI model to go “end to end” on programming a full software solution or full design/engineering solution? Is it token limitations or accuracy the further you get into the solution?

LLM's can't gut a fish in the cube when they get to their limits. On a more serious note: I think the high-level structuring of the architecture, and then the breakdown into tactical solutions — weaving the whole program together — is a fundamental limitation. It's akin to theorem-proving, which is just hard . Maybe it's just a scale issue; I'm bullish on AGI, so that's my preferred opinion.

Actually I think this is a good point: fundamentally an AI is forced to “color inside the lines”. It won’t tell you your business plan is stupid and walk away, which is a strong signal that is hard to ignore. So will this lead to people with more money than sense to do even more extravagantly stupid things than we’ve seen in the past, or is it basically just “Accenture-in-a-box”?

Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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post #13
post #9

Interesting concept that raised the question for me: What is the primary limiting factor right now that prevents LLM’s or any other AI model to go “end to end” on programming a full software solution or full design/engineering solution? Is it token limitations or accuracy the further you get into the solution?

I guess this would be the context window size in the case of LLMs. Edit: On second thought, maybe at a certain minimum context window size it is possible to cajole the instructions in such a way that you at any point in the process make the LLM work at a suitable level of abstraction more like humans do.

Maybe the issue is that for us the "context window" that we feed ourselves is actually a compressed and abstracted version - we do not re-feed ourselves the whole conversation but a "notion" and key points that we have stored. LLMs have static memory so I guess there is no other way as to single-pass the whole thing.

For human-like learning it would need to update it state (learn) on the fly as it does inference.

Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM's can't gut a fish in the cube when they get to their limits. On a more serious note: I think the high-level structuring of the architecture, and then the breakdown into tactical solutions — weaving the whole program together — is a fundamental limitation. It's akin to theorem-proving, which is just hard . Maybe it's just a scale issue; I'm bullish on AGI, so that's my preferred opinion.

Actually I think this is a good point: fundamentally an AI is forced to “color inside the lines”. It won’t tell you your business plan is stupid and walk away, which is a strong signal that is hard to ignore. So will this lead to people with more money than sense to do even more extravagantly stupid things than we’ve seen in the past, or is it basically just “Accenture-in-a-box”?

AI will absolutely rate your business plan if you ask it to.

Try this prompt:"Please rate this business plan on a scale of 1-100 and provide buttle points on how it can be improved without rewriting any of it: "

Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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Interesting concept that raised the question for me: What is the primary limiting factor right now that prevents LLM’s or any other AI model to go “end to end” on programming a full software solution or full design/engineering solution? Is it token limitations or accuracy the further you get into the solution?

Memory and finetuning. If it was easy to insert a framework/documentation into GPT4 (the only model capable of complex software development so far in my experience), it would be easy to create big complex software. The problem is that currently the memory/context management needs to be done all by the side of the LLM interaction (RAG). If it was easy to offload part of this context management on each interaction to a global state/memory, it would be trivial to create quality software with tens of thousands of LoCs.

Re: Nvidia Trains LLM on Chip Design

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Interesting concept that raised the question for me: What is the primary limiting factor right now that prevents LLM’s or any other AI model to go “end to end” on programming a full software solution or full design/engineering solution? Is it token limitations or accuracy the further you get into the solution?

LLM's can't gut a fish in the cube when they get to their limits. On a more serious note: I think the high-level structuring of the architecture, and then the breakdown into tactical solutions — weaving the whole program together — is a fundamental limitation. It's akin to theorem-proving, which is just hard . Maybe it's just a scale issue; I'm bullish on AGI, so that's my preferred opinion.

> LLM's can't gut a fish in the cube when they get to their limits.

Is this an idiom? Or did one of us just reach the limits of our context? :P

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