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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by wolf550e »

thriftwy wrote: post #20
krislei wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about religion anymore. It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.

Russia has (had?) good relations with Israel, despite a large number of differences with it. Then again, Russia would definitely benefit from the conflict if it heats up further.

Bibi tried to be friends with Putin and avoided sending weapons to Ukraine, while Russian PMCs Wagner and Redut trained Hamas. Hopefully Israel will be rethinking both the relationship with Russia and the relationship with Bibi.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by worksonmine »

krislei wrote: post #9
teekert wrote: post #3

I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

It's not about religion anymore. It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.

> It's Russia, Iran, China and friends against all democracies.

I love this kind of rhetoric, it implies we in the west are the democratic ones and dehumanizes the "enemy". The same wording has also been used to condone carpet bombing civilians the last weeks. "It's up to the democratic world".

I don't think we are that much better, our leaders are just better at hiding their bullshit. But people willingly fall for the myth that we are somehow the "good guys".

The way you put it's X, Y, Z and friends against us is also interesting. Have you considered it might be the other way around? Hasn't basically every president waited for a reason to fight the last boss in the middle east? We're very hungry for war in the west, don't fool yourself we're any better than the rest.

We're not content with what we have, we will keep destabilizing the world until we own it all. The day every so-called leader answers to the US that's when we have world peace.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by slowhand09 »

persnickety wrote: post #32
tazjin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the problems with contested borders, which e.g. Yandex runs into because they operate in Western and non-Western jurisdictions. They ended up just removing all national borders from the maps for this reason, which has made the UX worse, especially for international trip planning. Google (used to?) opts for a different approach where some borders are drawn based on where they geolocated you to.

We'll all be better off by shifting to a borderless paradigm. Yandex is just a canary in the coal mine.

You should run for congress... wait, no borders means no countries so no congress. Just a bunch of really powerful people making rules over fiefdoms...

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by viraptor »

persnickety wrote: post #32
tazjin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the problems with contested borders, which e.g. Yandex runs into because they operate in Western and non-Western jurisdictions. They ended up just removing all national borders from the maps for this reason, which has made the UX worse, especially for international trip planning. Google (used to?) opts for a different approach where some borders are drawn based on where they geolocated you to.

We'll all be better off by shifting to a borderless paradigm. Yandex is just a canary in the coal mine.

When you're near a border you typically don't want to get your car ride routed over 2 border crossings just because it's the shortest path. Skipping the borders is definitely not a "better off" situation.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by timeon »

hardware2win wrote: post #34
timeon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.

What do you mean? Whats wrong with them?

> Whats wrong with them?

I do not thing there is something wrong. That is why I asked because this 'colonial' narrative seems often too vague. It is often just 'the west'.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by zmgsabst »

master_crab wrote: post #6
jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

Guy in tweet also adds: “Major provocation from China.” If this is a major provocation I’d hate to see what he considers something more substantive than a UI change.

Why should Israel respond as if this is less serious than China does when Taiwan is listed on a map?

China is extremely offended when that happens — and should be held to the same standard, regarding others.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by persnickety »

viraptor wrote: post #45
persnickety wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll all be better off by shifting to a borderless paradigm. Yandex is just a canary in the coal mine.

When you're near a border you typically don't want to get your car ride routed over 2 border crossings just because it's the shortest path. Skipping the borders is definitely not a "better off" situation.

When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by mcphage »

hluska wrote: post #37
jlangenauer wrote: post #2

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

The obvious alternative explanations?? Like they just randomly and accidentally decided to erase an entire state? Particularly an extremely contested state? Give me a break - you’re really not making a good argument.

What's the... I guess, non-alternative explanation?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Post by jowea »

ReptileMan wrote: post #21
logicchains wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

I think it's one of those horseshoe theory cases. The radical right is anti-Israel because of anti-Semitism.
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