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Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by tuyiown »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #43
exabrial wrote: post #42

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> you put that information on the internet, you have no expectation to privacy That was the expectation until Zuckerberg came along. People were putting tons of stuff on BBSs, intranets, and other stuff 20+ years beforehand because people had the idea of "consent" back then existed: using someones information for a purpose they didn't intend was (and still is) wrong.

Using someone's information for a purpose they didn't intend is wrong? What? This just seems obviously mistaken. I don't agree with that at all. I'm not even sure how to argue about that. Lots of art, science and technology can be considered as "using someone's information for a purpose they didn't intend." It is extremely normal for people to find new uses for things; information is not exempt from this.

> Using someone's information for a purpose they didn't intend is wrong? What? This just seems obviously mistaken.

Yet you would expect that people won't record your private conversations, and even less play it back to third parties.

Exchanges, of whatever information, whether it is personal stories or administrative data occurs in some kind of trust on what kind use you consent to. Respecting this consent is a social obligation on the receiver end.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by thih9 »

pixl97 wrote: post #11
thelittleone wrote: post #7

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AI might lead to more paywalled sites which would suck.

Depends, will it reduce the number of ad driven sites? Could be a good thing.

Your favorite forum/blog/app might be ad driven.

And it’s not like ads will disappear; if anything, we’ll get AI ads.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by thefz »

valianteffort wrote: post #21

I don't get it, you put that information on the internet, you have no expectation to privacy. But now maybe you learned a lesson, and you won't publicly share things you don't want people to see?

This is similar to saying that if girls don't want to be molested, they should not wear a mini skirt in public.

One may not have been aware of the future existence of AI when writing on a public platform.

Or one simply may want his blog/thoughts to be intended for human consumption and not to train the latest commercial product which will reap from his content and not share any profit.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

627467 wrote: post #40
esafak wrote: post #33

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The government has no problem getting rid of CSAM and terrorist material, for practical purposes. It's not a technical problem.

It is obviously a technical challenge. Image yourself trying to facing 3 pictures, one of CSAM, another of terrorist material and just some random photo of random guy eating ice scream: what steps would you do to determine if this last photo is "legal" or not? YouTube have decades of attempt at determining if uploaded content violates copyright, normally through fingerprinting content submitted by right holders. YouT…

The “right to be forgotten” works nicely in tandem with the “right to know” - where you get to ask companies to tell you what they have on you.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by RandomLensman »

visarga wrote: post #59
pzs wrote: post #55

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Consider the thought experiment that you give your postal address to some business, because you want to subscribe to regular grocery deliveries. Then you notice that each delivered package contains a small transparent bag with some with powder in it. Whoever treats others' information can only do so with a clear purpose and for a defined time period according to current EU laws. If, however, you were referring to inf…

Copyrights protect the copying of the original text, but models take gradients. Are gradients protected as well? Even when data is copyrighted it still has legitimate value for training, pure ideas don't get copyright protection, only expression.

Can the model use the text without making a copy (in memory) to process it?

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by niemandhier »

constantly wrote: post #26
stingraycharles wrote: post #25

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The “right to be forgotten” is an explicit right in the EU, which I think applies here.

EU rights do not apply in the US.

True but globally operating corps are subjects to all kind of national laws and as soon as you have any presence in the EU those regulations apply.

An online shop in Germany once removed Cuban cigars because of US trade sanctions.

ClearView just declared to ignore the right to be forgotten, even for EU citizens. It will be interesting to se how this plays out. I guess it will take a few years…

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by Last5Digits »

bmitc wrote: post #13
dr_dshiv wrote: post #5

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I didn't say anything remotely close to what you're implying. What a ridiculous statement. I used the word enslave and used it correctly in this context. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enslave https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery a situation or practice in which people are entrapped (as by debt) and exploited ; submission to a dominating influence From Oxford Dictionary: cause (someone) to l…

Is this elementary school, where we ignore the usage and context of words and simply recite the dictionary definition? You were clearly aware of the emotional weight of the term and tried to exploit it to make your argument more impactful.

Can I call my mom a slave-driver now, because she made me clean my room when I was a child? I clearly had no choice but to submit to her demands, since I relied on her for food and shelter!

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by PeterStuer »

RandomLensman wrote: post #65
visarga wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyrights protect the copying of the original text, but models take gradients. Are gradients protected as well? Even when data is copyrighted it still has legitimate value for training, pure ideas don't get copyright protection, only expression.

Can the model use the text without making a copy (in memory) to process it?

Can a human?

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by RandomLensman »

PeterStuer wrote: post #68
RandomLensman wrote: post #65

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Can the model use the text without making a copy (in memory) to process it?

Can a human?

Not relevant. What humans do isn't necessarily viewed the same way as what machines do.

Re: Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?

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Post by fsckboy »

jjav wrote: post #51
valianteffort wrote: post #21

I don't get it, you put that information on the internet, you have no expectation to privacy. But now maybe you learned a lesson, and you won't publicly share things you don't want people to see?

> I don't get it, you put that information on the internet, you have no expectation to privacy. While that is somewhat true, there are multiple angles to it. The big one is expectations. It used to be that if you shared something on an obscure forum that had like 100 readers, most of those people expected that only 100 would see their posting. And it was true, so it reinforced the expectation for nontechnical people,…

do you ever save things you see on the internet that have some "scandal" merit, say for example you don't like Donald Trump and you come across a variety of material that's embarrassing to him. Or your school bully, or your gf's ex, or Macron in France, Trudeau in Canada, etc. Would you feel that other people should get to tell you to delete it because you're not allowed to use any aids to help you remember or prove why they are bad people (in your estimation)? Freedom to remember is part and parcel of free speech.
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