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Man arrested after confusing Portuguese words for 'pomegranate' and 'grenade'

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Re: Man arrested after confusing Portuguese words for 'pomegranate' and 'grenade'

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That's a minefield (so to speak), since the word grenade immediately derives from the word pomegranate (in French). And it seems that in most European languages that use it for either, the same word refers to both:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/granada

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/granata

Portuguese is apparently the exception here in using it only for the weapon and not for the fruit. (My Portuguese is better than my Spanish, but I would have guessed, wrongly, that the fruit was "granada" in Portuguese, as it is in Spanish.)

Re: Man arrested after confusing Portuguese words for 'pomegranate' and 'grenade'

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post #4

That's a minefield (so to speak), since the word grenade immediately derives from the word pomegranate (in French). And it seems that in most European languages that use it for either, the same word refers to both: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/granada https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/granata Portuguese is apparently the exception here in using it only for the weapon and not for the fruit. (My Portuguese is better tha…

Kg would be interesting to know if the paper he gave the waiter has the full sentense or only the name of the "fruit".

Re: Man arrested after confusing Portuguese words for 'pomegranate' and 'grenade'

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post #4

That's a minefield (so to speak), since the word grenade immediately derives from the word pomegranate (in French). And it seems that in most European languages that use it for either, the same word refers to both: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/granada https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/granata Portuguese is apparently the exception here in using it only for the weapon and not for the fruit. (My Portuguese is better tha…

Kg would be interesting to know if the paper he gave the waiter has the full sentense or only the name of the "fruit".

Yeah. The original source is the Correio da Manhã at

https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/troca-de-roma-por-g...

which is mostly behind a paywall.

I'm sure there are some idiom confusions possible between different languages related to ordering/wanting something versus having that thing. Like in English one could order something with "I'll have ...". If you were translating "I'll have" into Portuguese in other contexts (like "I'll have an appointment at noon"), it could just be "tenho", not even necessarily "vou ter"!

(I don't mean to suggest that that's the exact problem here; for one thing, it was apparently Russian-to-Portuguese.)

Re: Man arrested after confusing Portuguese words for 'pomegranate' and 'grenade'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kg would be interesting to know if the paper he gave the waiter has the full sentense or only the name of the "fruit".

Yeah. The original source is the Correio da Manhã at https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/troca-de-roma-por-g... which is mostly behind a paywall. I'm sure there are some idiom confusions possible between different languages related to ordering/wanting something versus having that thing. Like in English one could order something with "I'll have ...". If you were translating "I'll have" into Portuguese in other co…

Footage of the arrest - https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/homem-usa-tradutor-...

Un-paywalled story - https://archive.is/41EtL

Azerbaijani man speaking Russian, with an Israeli passport.

Who orders a pomegranate drink at a restaurant. The story is pretty sus.

Re: Man arrested after confusing Portuguese words for 'pomegranate' and 'grenade'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The original source is the Correio da Manhã at https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/troca-de-roma-por-g... which is mostly behind a paywall. I'm sure there are some idiom confusions possible between different languages related to ordering/wanting something versus having that thing. Like in English one could order something with "I'll have ...". If you were translating "I'll have" into Portuguese in other co…

Footage of the arrest - https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/homem-usa-tradutor-... Un-paywalled story - https://archive.is/41EtL Azerbaijani man speaking Russian, with an Israeli passport. Who orders a pomegranate drink at a restaurant. The story is pretty sus.

It's strange, but the page about ponergranate in Portuguese start with a reference about drink:

> A romã é o fruto da romãzeira (Punica granatum), comum no mediterrâneo oriental e médio oriente onde a polpa é usada para a preparação de aperitivos, sobremesa ou algumas vezes em bebida alcoólica.

autotranlation> Pomegranate is the fruit of the pomegranate tree (Punica granatum), common in the Eastern and Middle Eastern Mediterranean where the pulp is used to prepare appetizers, dessert or sometimes in alcoholic drinks.

The English and Spanish versions of Wikipedia have only references to the drink in the middle of the article, so it may be more popular in Portugal (or Azerbaijan). Still suspicious.

Here in Argentina we have drink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenadine You can buy the concentrated syrup and ilute it at home with water or carbonated water. It's not super popular, but you can buy a bottle in half of the supermarkets. I buy 1 or 2 per year.

Anyway, I don't remember a version that can be bought in a restaurant. OK, I just found one https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-1124864393-gaseosa-... but don't expect to find it in most restaurants here.

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