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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by permo-w » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:34 AM UTC

mcronce wrote: post #164

permo-w wrote: post #154

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this effect seems to be especially true in airports. they seem to particularly inspire dumb herd behaviour. perhaps there's an increase in perceived danger leading to a stronger desire for safety in numbers? another example: queueing to board the plane. other than to fit in, why on earth would I stand there and compete to spend more time in a sweaty uncomfortable seat packed with 400 other people? plus, if you get on…

My intuition is that, in addition to what you mentioned and at least for longer flights, some people have residual effects from the mild hypoxia at altitude when they're on the ground in their destination airport. I, at least, sure as hell feel dumber for the rest of the day after a six hour flight. Usually that's accompanied by a fairly debilitating headache.

alcohol always seems to hit me harder on a plane, and afterwards

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by jhaenchen » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:44 AM UTC

Part of being confused by normal practices is that a lot of practices feel abnormal by default so we don't emphasize those expected actions the same way other people to. When most things feel foreign even obvious stuff takes on that vibe. Why wouldn't I help the bystander? Not because I'm better but because it's just as likely a choice as not. Very little bias there.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by hughesjj » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:45 AM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #162

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #145

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How is “help others in need” confusingly explicit? Maybe it’s my neurodivergence talking but that seems pretty straightforward advice.

Because of the “sometimes people who help get in trouble” part.

Flashbacks to highschool, and my underage...

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by at_a_remove » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:45 AM UTC

I've considered getting a serious adult test for something spectrumy. On the casual tests I score high on Systematizing but I fail to score low on the Empathaizing, but again, those are the casual tests.

This is another point for me getting some kind of assessment, because I have a very strong anti-bystander effect that seems almost not in my control.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by throwaway2037 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:52 AM UTC

Nadya wrote: post #148

vlovich123 wrote: post #138

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That’s a petty aggressive and condescending response. I have a pretty big dog (GS mix) and she’d likely never be fast enough to catch a squirrel or bird unless she’s lucky (I also trained that response out of her very early on) and she was definitely faster than Dobermans at the park in her prime. Also, even if she did, it’s not like she’s that foreign a concept - dogs are everywhere and squirrels and birds already d…

Sounds like every pit bull owner up until their totally harmless lovely well trained wouldn't harm a fly pit bull snaps and attacks someone or another dog. The leash in public areas is to be able to control your dog. If you want your dog off of the leash go to private property or a dog park where a gated leashless area exists for those willing to assume the risk. I've seen military trained dogs with training worth te…

Yeah, what is it with dog owners who all seem to be clueless about the dangers of an unleashed dog? Is there a psychological disorder to explain this worldview? In my life, 100% of dog owners all think their dog is "well behaved" when many are not. Bizarre.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by makeitdouble » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:55 AM UTC

wkat4242 wrote: post #140

nathan_compton wrote: post #116

I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All th…

> a security guard had to let them into the right queue.

So, just looking at the final result they ended up in the right place ?

Assuming the security guard made that adjustment because they were so many of them, the strategy seems to be paying off in that specific case.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by lebean » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:01 AM UTC

nyanmatt wrote: post #28

ralusek wrote: post #26

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I'm a brown haired person. I'm also a person with brown hair. Neither phrasing makes my brown hair a disease I carry.

That’s a totally false comparison. Brown hair is something you physically have.

I am a person with empathy.

I am an empathetic person.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by eightysixfour » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:04 AM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #163

eightysixfour wrote: post #125

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No, society works because we broadly trust that others will follow laws and that institutions will enforce the laws. It has been decided, by the public, that public spaces should not have off leash dogs in them because every dog is a “good dog” until it isn’t and someone or someone else’s animal pays the price. This is like saying it is okay for good drivers to drive through stop signs, because they’re there for the…

Literally nobody in this conversation is arguing that they should be able to do what they want.

That is what arguments like this are:

> In a word: discernment. If it's a miniature poodle, you can probably chill. If it's a big dog, it's probably worthwhile to enforce the law.

Your whole argument is “judgement is an important component of the law” but what that leads to is differing judgements on what we can do. What individual is so far above reproach that they should have the right to discern whether the situation calls for applicability of a black and white law?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by atleastoptimal » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:11 AM UTC

nathan_compton wrote: post #116

I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

Frankly that superiority complex may be why neurodivergent people with similar ideas about "normal" people have issues getting along with others, no offense.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by anigbrowl » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 2:21 AM UTC

wkat4242 wrote: post #153

anigbrowl wrote: post #103

A pessimistic corollary to this is that intervention is often followed by social punishment if it impinges on anyone else's interests or even just makes the bystanders look bad.

In other words, peer pressure. But autistic people tend to be much less sensitive to that.

True, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable. In extreme cases it could lead to someone getting fired or falsely reported to the police though luckily that's pretty rare.