> we’ll enforce a clear spam rate threshold that senders must stay under I hope they make it really strict. I'm sick of companies that send you spam ("newsletters") just because you interacted with them once, then when you unsubscribe, you get unsubscribed from that one list, so they keep spamming you just with a slightly different newsletter type. (Edit: Also, everything requiring a notification - by e-mail if they…
This is exactly why GDPR exists. What you are describing is illegal in the EU. Sending marketing communication requires clear opt in consent.
Gmail, Yahoo announce new 2024 authentication requirements for bulk senders
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#222Bulk sending breaks the utility of email. I wish there was a way to say, “Don’t allow my email to receive bulk sent emails.” I can’t imagine how much that would improve my life. I just don’t want to see it. It breaks my attention far too frequently for far too little utility, and I would love it if entire emails I own could be bulk spam free. I don’t really want a better version of our shitty current system.
Any 1:1 communication with real people pretty much exclusively happens elsewhere for me.
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#223> we’ll enforce a clear spam rate threshold that senders must stay under I hope they make it really strict. I'm sick of companies that send you spam ("newsletters") just because you interacted with them once, then when you unsubscribe, you get unsubscribed from that one list, so they keep spamming you just with a slightly different newsletter type. (Edit: Also, everything requiring a notification - by e-mail if they…
This is exactly why GDPR exists. What you are describing is illegal in the EU. Sending marketing communication requires clear opt in consent.
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#224What exactly are the news here? I see three points but fail to comprehend them, because I thought all those things were a norm for a long while: 1. Is it the news that Google still accepted bulk volumes of unauthenticated mails in 2023? If that's true - finally, good riddance. Although I believe most spam those days comes from legit hacked domains. 2. Am I reading this right that List-Unsubscribe and/or unsubscriptio…
Apparently so. I just read through this earlier today, and it's kinda insane how broken email is. Kinda remains me of the "You go to jail" meme, believe it or not, straight to inbox.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly why GDPR exists. What you are describing is illegal in the EU. Sending marketing communication requires clear opt in consent.
Referring people by email to the site!
Referring friends and family by sending emails on your own? Who the fuck does that since ~2010? Ever heard of social media and instant messengers?
Edit: Parent was a wall of text when I responded. Stealth editing it to something completely different is not cool.
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#226Reading all the comments makes me think I'm an outlier. I very aggressively unsubscribe from everything so I get very little mailing list spam. Maybe a few messages a month. What I do get _constantly_ is spam email messages to my inbox from Gmail and Outlook domains. At least one a day for many years. Because it from Gmail, they have very little spam filtering done, yet if any other provider sent these messages then…
Re: Gmail, Yahoo announce new 2024 authentication requirements for bulk senders
#227Bulk sending breaks the utility of email. I wish there was a way to say, “Don’t allow my email to receive bulk sent emails.” I can’t imagine how much that would improve my life. I just don’t want to see it. It breaks my attention far too frequently for far too little utility, and I would love it if entire emails I own could be bulk spam free. I don’t really want a better version of our shitty current system.
The issue is: How does a server determine that a message is bulk sent?
Re: Gmail, Yahoo announce new 2024 authentication requirements for bulk senders
#228Bulk sending breaks the utility of email. I wish there was a way to say, “Don’t allow my email to receive bulk sent emails.” I can’t imagine how much that would improve my life. I just don’t want to see it. It breaks my attention far too frequently for far too little utility, and I would love it if entire emails I own could be bulk spam free. I don’t really want a better version of our shitty current system.
On the contrary, I only care about receiving email from bulk senders. I pretty much exclusively use email to read newsletters and handle communication with companies/accounts. Any 1:1 communication with real people pretty much exclusively happens elsewhere for me.
I don’t want any. You do. Why not give users the ability to control what they want? It’s not a technical challenge.
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#229Reading all the comments makes me think I'm an outlier. I very aggressively unsubscribe from everything so I get very little mailing list spam. Maybe a few messages a month. What I do get _constantly_ is spam email messages to my inbox from Gmail and Outlook domains. At least one a day for many years. Because it from Gmail, they have very little spam filtering done, yet if any other provider sent these messages then…
> I very aggressively unsubscribe from everything Never unsubscribe from anything you haven't subscribed for (or at least where you haven't gave your email address to the sending party), because I believe any interaction with unsolicited emails provide spammers with a clear signal that their spam is not just delivered but also read and interacted with, so they get more agressive.
But more importantly even if I provide some signal that my email is active it's not going to change that much. They can send more, but that just helps train filters.
Lastly default Gmail settings loads remote images. Just opening the email is enough to create some signal. Having remote images turned off is enough to stop most engagement pings.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Referring people by email to the site!
> There is simply no easy way for your users to legally invite their own friends to your site, so it can never reach critical mass. Referring friends and family by sending emails on your own? Who the fuck does that since ~2010? Ever heard of social media and instant messengers? Edit: Parent was a wall of text when I responded. Stealth editing it to something completely different is not cool.
Social media MAY be an exception, but that's because people are already used to receiving a ton of spam on it, so your "viral post" will be ineffective to begin with, and probably filtered by Facebook and not shown to most people at all. Enjoy.
All the original social platforms such as Facebook and Twitter used ways to invite others by email (famously in Harvard etc.) So now they are burning the bridges behind them and no one can do it anymore.