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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

wkat4242 wrote: post #140
nathan_compton wrote: post #116

I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All th…

I found it surprisingly helpful to use the heuristic of just pausing when everyone is doing some thing (like moving in a mass) and just literally evaluating the opposite thing to do.

It’s a surprisingly useful heuristic.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by dukeyukey »

nyanmatt wrote: post #20

“With autism” A large portion of the autistic community is very against this phrasing. Autism is not a disease you carry, or something you “have”. It should be used as an adjective to describe a person: “Autistic people less likely to succumb to bystander effect” Edit: If you follow through to the actual paper referenced you can see they use the correct phrasing.

I've been told to use both "autistic person" and "person with autism", and that the alternate phrase is bad. For any individual I'll use whichever they prefer, but there is no consensus of this whatsoever.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by NeuroCoder »

I wish the paper put more emphasis on understanding the mechanism driving the outcome than the implications of the outcomes. It's great to discuss the practical utility of findings such as organizational and employment practices (because it's easy to dismiss research otherwise), but remarkably little time is spent actually discussing how their data reflects things like diffusion of responsibility brought up in the introduction.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by graphe »

>The study was published this week in the October issue of Autism Research and created with collaborators from the University of Toronto. The research participants -- employed individuals, 33 with autism and 34 neurotypical -- were asked to weigh in on hypothetical scenarios involving everything from inefficiencies to inequalities to quality concerns.

It's a survey of 67 people. Could have been online even. Nothing I'd take seriously.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

omginternets wrote: post #124
Yoric wrote: post #7

Anecdotal evidence: around me, several kids are on the autistic spectrum. It's hard to prevent them from intervening when they notice what they feel is an injustice, towards them or others. At some point, this included one of them regularly attempting to rescue babies from baby trolleys, which they considered a prison. Fortunately, the would-be rescuer was only aged 3 at the time.

I've often remarked (informally) that autistic people seem to operate under the assumption that the explicitly-stated rules are the actual rules. "Help others in need" would be the go-to example of how this confusion(?) can lead to a positive outcome.

How is “help others in need” confusingly explicit?

Maybe it’s my neurodivergence talking but that seems pretty straightforward advice.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by dukeyukey »

graphe wrote: post #144

>The study was published this week in the October issue of Autism Research and created with collaborators from the University of Toronto. The research participants -- employed individuals, 33 with autism and 34 neurotypical -- were asked to weigh in on hypothetical scenarios involving everything from inefficiencies to inequalities to quality concerns. It's a survey of 67 people. Could have been online even. Nothing I…

Why is a study of 67 people not serious? If their sampling is solid it should be more than enough.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

Podgajski wrote: post #10
Yoric wrote: post #7

Anecdotal evidence: around me, several kids are on the autistic spectrum. It's hard to prevent them from intervening when they notice what they feel is an injustice, towards them or others. At some point, this included one of them regularly attempting to rescue babies from baby trolleys, which they considered a prison. Fortunately, the would-be rescuer was only aged 3 at the time.

Hi, I posted this study because I have Asperger’s and this is what was always said about my behavior. Yesterday I literally had to stop myself from sending photographs to the police of a guy walking his dog off leash in a park that has signs forbidding it. And my reason for wanting to call the police is because of my compassion for the dog or for anyone the dog to hurt. Not so much that it was only that the man was d…

I literally did this while walking in the woods the other day. A man asked me how I was and his dog was off the leash, and so I told him I would be better if he followed the etiquette of the trail and kept his dog on a leash.

He didn’t seem to like that.

However I saw him on the trail with the same dog a few days later on the leash

So I’m not sure why this is a problem other than if people are worried that people won’t like them.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by Nadya »

vlovich123 wrote: post #138
metaphor wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This struck me as so absurdly anti-social with a pinch of blatant dismissal for why certain rules in public spaces exist to begin with that it reads like you're intentionally trolling the parent in bad faith. You know what also doesn't care about the rules of ordered society and the potentially deadly consequences of breaking them? Animals. Disagree? Only a fool spitting into the wind would permit me to unleash my se…

That’s a petty aggressive and condescending response. I have a pretty big dog (GS mix) and she’d likely never be fast enough to catch a squirrel or bird unless she’s lucky (I also trained that response out of her very early on) and she was definitely faster than Dobermans at the park in her prime. Also, even if she did, it’s not like she’s that foreign a concept - dogs are everywhere and squirrels and birds already d…

Sounds like every pit bull owner up until their totally harmless lovely well trained wouldn't harm a fly pit bull snaps and attacks someone or another dog.

The leash in public areas is to be able to control your dog. If you want your dog off of the leash go to private property or a dog park where a gated leashless area exists for those willing to assume the risk.

I've seen military trained dogs with training worth tens of thousands of dollars disobey orders. I simply do not care how well trained people think their dogs are.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by NeuroCoder »

isaacfrond wrote: post #4

Paper is here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/aur.3012 I'll save you the read, in light of the replication crisis, this is the important bit: 33 autistic participants

They also say "Because of the relatively small sample size, we did not make corrections for multiple comparisons.".

I don't think that means this should be dismissed entirely because you accomplish what you can with the data available to you. It's extremely hard to conduct studies of specialized populations and if we waited for the perfect conditions nothing would get done. We should just be careful not to make any strong opinions based on this study alone.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by graphe »

dukeyukey wrote: post #146
graphe wrote: post #144

>The study was published this week in the October issue of Autism Research and created with collaborators from the University of Toronto. The research participants -- employed individuals, 33 with autism and 34 neurotypical -- were asked to weigh in on hypothetical scenarios involving everything from inefficiencies to inequalities to quality concerns. It's a survey of 67 people. Could have been online even. Nothing I…

Why is a study of 67 people not serious? If their sampling is solid it should be more than enough.

It's a survey. Ever took one?
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