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Post by pier25 »

tverbeure wrote: post #156
lxgr wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Storage is the most likely component to fail. Got any sources for that? I find that hard to believe. > MST (DisplayPort daisy chaining) in MacOS. The hardware has supported it for over a decade. The OS is the weak link here. This is indeed annoying, but with USB4/Thunderbolt support becoming more common in monitors, I believe this is going to be less of an issue going forward.

The only reason I was able to use my 2012 MacBook Pro 15 as my daily driver for 11 years, is because I was able to replace 2 failed non-soldered SSDs.

Those were old SSDs with I presume much lower capacity than modern drives

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Post by greedo »

reactordev wrote: post #186

I call BS on this. Apple’s strategy is not battery tech. It’s personal computing devices. Always has been. Always will. Wearables, services, AI-capable hardware, is where Apple wins. Wearables beyond the watch and the vision pro. Meta and Ray-Ban teamed up for some Google Glass-like shades. Apple will come out with Shade (TM) if they choose to go into that market. The point is, Apple has had a strategy for a while no…

I would say that Apple has already won against Android. Android may have more units world-wide, but Apple owners spend more, are more desirable customers etc.

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Post by greedo »

ace2358 wrote: post #187
LaSombra wrote: post #176

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I didn't know John pivoted to full time podcasting. This actually explains, IMHO, the shift towards a more forgiving view of Apple's product directions.

Indeed, if I remember correctly, he quit about 12 months ago or so. It made me wonder what the earning of a high profile podcast can be! Also how much that can fall away when the advertising business drops (as they constantly like to remind me, multiple times on every show…). It makes me confused that while they’re working on the show(s) full time, the quality is dropping? It’s less interesting somehow?

I did the math a couple of years ago, and it came out to roughly $100k per podcaster. This has obviously dropped off significantly the last year with ad sales in general tanking.

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Post by highwaylights »

warrenm wrote: post #203
highwaylights wrote: post #25

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But the batteries dont last the lifetime of the product. Most iPhones are still very useful devices by the time their batteries have deteriorated below 70% original capacity.

I usually keep my phones for about 4 years The devices start glitching and/or won't run newer apps as well as they should long before the battery goes on them

Are the apps you're using substantially better than they were 4 years ago? Are they doing substantially more for you that you wanted from them?

If the hardware is failing then I guess fair enough (it shouldn't be, that's a design defect), but inflated hardware demands to compensate for increasingly sloppy code isn't a reasonable justification to demand dropping another $500+ on a device that works fine.

I recently gifted a used iPhone X to a relative. It's still an exceptional device on which the hardware works as well as it ever did, minus the reduced battery life. I would have been happy to keep using it if I could replace the battery simply and it was still getting O/S updates.

(As it is, the device still receives security updates, which I can't really grump at Apple for after almost six years - but only because they're better than the rest of the industry. It's still a poor situation).

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Post by warrenm »

highwaylights wrote: post #214
warrenm wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually keep my phones for about 4 years The devices start glitching and/or won't run newer apps as well as they should long before the battery goes on them

Are the apps you're using substantially better than they were 4 years ago? Are they doing substantially more for you that you wanted from them? If the hardware is failing then I guess fair enough (it shouldn't be, that's a design defect), but inflated hardware demands to compensate for increasingly sloppy code isn't a reasonable justification to demand dropping another $500+ on a device that works fine. I recently gi…

> Are the apps you're using substantially better than they were 4 years ago? Are they doing substantially more for you that you wanted from them?

Yes - in general, the apps I am running are doing more and are better than they were when I first got a given model phone :)

I went from the 4S to the 6S Plus to the 11 and am waiting on my backordered 15 Pro currently

I still have the 6S Plus in a drawer in my utility room - it "works" for lite tasks like web browsing, but will not run most of the productivity apps I need/want for work or the educational apps my kids need/want for school. So, for me, it is a "useless" device (so the kids get to play with it - and nobody cares what happens because it is 8 years old)

My 11 still "works", too - but it is getting very long in the tooth

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Post by warrenm »

highwaylights wrote: post #214
warrenm wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually keep my phones for about 4 years The devices start glitching and/or won't run newer apps as well as they should long before the battery goes on them

Are the apps you're using substantially better than they were 4 years ago? Are they doing substantially more for you that you wanted from them? If the hardware is failing then I guess fair enough (it shouldn't be, that's a design defect), but inflated hardware demands to compensate for increasingly sloppy code isn't a reasonable justification to demand dropping another $500+ on a device that works fine. I recently gi…

>(As it is, the device still receives security updates, which I can't really grump at Apple for after almost six years - but only because they're better than the rest of the industry. It's still a poor situation).

I am continually astonished at folks who expect OS and/or security updates past a few years (this is not a slight against you, just an observation on my part)

A lot of folk like to gripe about "planned obsolescence" or similar because eventually their device is no longer supported

Yet the fact that manufacturers support equipment as long as they do is ... kind of astonishing

The higher the volume of production, the shorter you would expect a manufacturer to support it (a 747 is worlds different from a pickup truck which is worlds different from a phone or laptop)

The cost-benefit analysis of continuing to support/update a given device has to be taken into account ... and - for most phones (since that is what we are talking about in this thread) for most people, that means that between 3 and 4 years after release, it makes [nearly] no economic sense to keep supporting them

That Apple does for so long speaks volumes about their commitment to their customers (even though, of course, they would like you to get a new phone every year, I am sure)

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Post by warrenm »

ankushnarula wrote: post #36
warrenm wrote: post #2

Make battery packs (call them "removable batteries, if you like") 100% completely and totally separate from the device itself - think of it like a UPS for a desktop...no (or practically "no") battery on/in the device, and instead you run the device with a Qi-compatible battery pack IOW - the device becomes 30-50% lighter (on its own), and the buyer determines how heavy his/her experience will be based on which Qi-pac…

Agree with the most of youir premise - but a magnetically aligned and secured pogo-pin interface on the bottom back edge of every MacBook might be superior to inductive charging, which wastes electricity and generates too much heat. Such battery packs could also include a second pair of pass-thru pins for stacking and connecting to a direct wall power adapter.

was not really thinking about MacBook, more iPhone (and, possibly iPad) ... but that is an intriguing idea, too: supply a basic battery that would last for X long, and have a pass-through (hermetically-sealed, if you wanted to move into the IPS zone for dust/liquid resistance) MagSafe (or similar) connector for additional battery packs on the bottom

I could totally see getting a second laptop-footprint-shaped pod for my MBA that would click on and give me another 20-40h of run time between charges!

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Post by warrenm »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #26
warrenm wrote: post #2

Make battery packs (call them "removable batteries, if you like") 100% completely and totally separate from the device itself - think of it like a UPS for a desktop...no (or practically "no") battery on/in the device, and instead you run the device with a Qi-compatible battery pack IOW - the device becomes 30-50% lighter (on its own), and the buyer determines how heavy his/her experience will be based on which Qi-pac…

> instead you run the device with a Qi-compatible battery pack And lose 20% percent efficiency? A bigger battery for the same usage time and my device is constantly warmer? Sign me up! /s

I used Qi as an example - a couple folks have suggested some kind of pogo-pin arrangement (maybe a derivation of the MagSafe connector?)

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Post by Terretta »

bogantech wrote: post #189
AdamN wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Just use TB monitors and daisy chaining works fine * Nothing to add. * Hardware enclave is a requirement for most corporate/government computers so you're just comparing two different classes of computer. All the enterprise Windows machines also do this. * Same as above

> * Just use TB monitors and daisy chaining works fine Not everybody has a zillion dollars to spend on expensive thunderbolt displays and they shouldn't have to when the Displayport standard (and other operating systems) support daisy chaining.

> when the Displayport standard (and other operating systems) support daisy chaining

It doesn't support it, exactly, it supports a compressed image in each of the multiple streams transported, which can introduce quality problems when doing the production work people use higher end Macs for.

"the combined data rate requirements of all the displays cannot exceed the limits of a single DP port" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Multi-Stream_Trans...

Arguably, compared to TB ports transmitting a full quality image to each screen, this could be "unexpected behavior".

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Post by Dig1t »

ttfkam wrote: post #77

Two things I've been waiting on for years: • MST (DisplayPort daisy chaining) in MacOS. The hardware has supported it for over a decade. The OS is the weak link here. It's the difference between spending $75-$300 for a dock in addition to the cables and just connecting the monitors together along with a single cable to the first monitor. • Non-soldered storage. Seriously. Storage is the most likely component to fail.…

>Non-soldered storage. Seriously. Storage is the most likely component to fail. SSDs only have so many write cycles.

One thing to note is the quality of Apple’s storage is above and beyond anything else you can buy. They have teams at every level of the storage stack and have an amazing focus on quality. From individual chips all the way up to the filesystem, all of the software is customized to extend the lifespan of the device. They do wear-leveling so the larger the drive you buy with your device the longer the device will last, but honestly the drives they come with will last much longer than 99.9 of people will ever actually use a Mac.

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