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Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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Is this the new codeword for "champagne socialism"? Interesting how "trickle down economics" isn't provided as an example of a luxury belief, seems like it would fit the provided definition extremely well in the context of US politics.

Devil's advocate: maybe because the author perceives "tickle down economics" as a position adopted by many of the working class and may even aide in survival.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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The terrible argument, built over several pages, is that "defund the police" as a political conviction is a status symbol, because rich people live in gated communities and don't need police.

It ignores the evidence is a 10% increase in a single poll, in which the majority was not of the inverse opinion that police is without fault, they just had a slightly different outlook on necessary police reform being possible in the current structures. It's yet another deliberate misunderstanding of "defund the police" (not a maybe understandable accidental misunderstanding).

Would be interesting to have this poll broken down by race, putting those most affected by broken windows policing and police violence first. And also those who coined the term.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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Starts off with an interesting premise and makes me think, hey, maybe I should re-examine my priors, let's see the evidence. And then the evidence turns out to be something about people who "make more than $100K," and goes on to assert that they "live in gated communities" and "can afford private security." In 2023, "making over 100K" just means that you're usually on-time with your monthly housing payment.

Author may indeed be going somewhere with this, but I'd like to see stronger support for the thesis.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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“A survey from YouGov found that Americans in the highest income category were by far the most supportive of defunding the police.”

“By far” means “10% more” in the actual graph the author cites, which comes from an online poll that had 1500 respondents. I’m no statistician but that seems like a small difference and small sample size to be the key piece of “data” here.

This article follows most tropes of behavioral science blog articles: broad moral statements taking a vaguely contrarian stance, analogies comparing humans to random animals (gazelles?), and “gotcha” survey data with questionable sample sizes. I find it difficult to take it seriously.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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In a feminized society that systematically elevates victims, status seekers must either LARP as victims (Singapore scions doing undergrad at Yale who march as "people of color") or make an ostentatious show of allyship, publicly subordinating their interest to that of the "oppressed".

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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That was not convincing.

The article only touches two unorthodox beliefs: that we should defund the police (really a preference, not a belief) and that success is largely attributable to luck.

But the elites are more likely to believe conventional wisdom on climate change, on whether vaccines work, on whether the Holocaust happened, on whether digesting genetically modified organisms changes the consumer's DNA, any number of things. Heterodox beliefs in these areas do seem consistent with the hypothesis of in-group signaling, but not with signaling status.

Wanting to defund the police is likely correlated with not needing the police -- but that's likely simple ignorance, not status signaling.

Why the elites would be more likely to say luck is important is not obvious to me, but a single example does not justify the sweeping generalization that this article makes.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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post #12
post #3

Is this the new codeword for "champagne socialism"? Interesting how "trickle down economics" isn't provided as an example of a luxury belief, seems like it would fit the provided definition extremely well in the context of US politics.

Devil's advocate: maybe because the author perceives "tickle down economics" as a position adopted by many of the working class and may even aide in survival.

Sorry I was being oblique to signal some snark. You're sort of hitting my point directly: "luxury beliefs" are just whatever you personally believe to be (a) wrongly held and (b) limited to only the aristocracy (ie. not the opinion of "real Americans"). But concretely demonstrating both is kind of difficult and largely relies on your own subjective experience. It's a political cudgel, not a proper tool of inquiry.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols (2022)

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This is an interesting read but at the same time I'm puzzled at the length this is going to in order to avoid engaging with ideas the author disagrees with.

This seems similar to the "virtue signaling" attack. But instead of opponents being charged with hypocrisy, they are accused of being (1) privileged, (2) vain, and (3) either senseless or indifferent towards the well-being of others. It seems to me this is suggesting these people don't ever deserve to take part in democracy, which is worrying.

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