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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by throw_pm23 »

js8 wrote: post #23

There was a similar article postulating that dissidents (for example from Eastern Europe) are often on the spectrum, for that very reason, if they see injustice, they are vocal about it.

Sounds like orientalism to me to be honest, and I would be vary of pathologising someone who takes part in a political struggle even if you don't mean bad. Not Eastern European, but were MLK or Nelson Mandela autistic? To me they seem quite well-adjusted and "normal personalities", except for being against the injustices around them.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mrangle »

ASD people may be less likely to be affected by any social effect that is mediated by group attention. Even prior to group approval. The Bystander Effect is one example.

Being enamoured by famous individuals is another. Fame being defined by the number of eyeballs that is on the object. Down to the guy who garners attention by singing in the local dive bar band, who lectures seniors on medicare coverage at the local assisted care facility, or who reads scripture at church once per month. A negative example would be famous popular criminals.

This carries over to social causes and more.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by Podgajski »

mjburgess wrote: post #64
Podgajski wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the laws are not enforced, then people don’t obey the laws. That’s how you get both dog bites and white collar crime. Your assumption is that my “wanting to bring the disciplinary arm of the state“ is based on the rules, and not on my compassion. That’s where you’re wrong. I was using the rules of the state to enforce my compassion, not to enforce the rules. in this case, the rules aligned with my compassion. And…

My claim is that your compassion is being hijacked, not that you're blinding following an instruction. Compassion is one of the main emotional mechanisms of social discipline: it is the overbearing mother. Compassion is often the most vicious way of policing people, as its users takes themselves to be moral. The sign couldve been a poster of a dog off a leach running around with another dog, having a good time. That,…

Rules and regulations are not needed to constrain compassion, they needed to constrain sociopathy.

A Sign does not trigger an emotional response in me. My emotions were triggered by the action of the person walking their dog without a leash design told me that other people were compassionate, just like I am.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Podgajski wrote: post #11
082349872349872 wrote: post #2

My wife recently discovered "Young Sheldon", and one of the most egregious goofs so far is the idea that Sheldon would suffer from stage fright. We both agree that stage fright is something probably only suffered by people who care about the opinions of strangers.

I have Asperger‘s, and my stage fright depends on what I’m doing. I’ve been a lead singer and guitarist in quite a few bands and I’ve never had stage fright while playing. But push me to stand up and talk about something and I will freeze and act like a total spaz.

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mjburgess »

Podgajski wrote: post #73
mjburgess wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My claim is that your compassion is being hijacked, not that you're blinding following an instruction. Compassion is one of the main emotional mechanisms of social discipline: it is the overbearing mother. Compassion is often the most vicious way of policing people, as its users takes themselves to be moral. The sign couldve been a poster of a dog off a leach running around with another dog, having a good time. That,…

Rules and regulations are not needed to constrain compassion, they needed to constrain sociopathy. A Sign does not trigger an emotional response in me. My emotions were triggered by the action of the person walking their dog without a leash design told me that other people were compassionate, just like I am.

Compassion is more dangerous than sociopathy. Sociopaths are transactional, and often follow the rules on a transactional basis.

To conduct a genocide, one needs compassion. In the way people are here having fantasies of dangerous dogs biting children, likewise similar fantasies of danger abound -- compassion for imagined victims driving overwhelming oppression.

I dont consider this morality, quite the opposite. Morality is deliberative, it takes into account the particular, it is a response to the concrete reality not the imagined.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by sneed_chucker »

mo_42 wrote: post #24
Podgajski wrote: post #10

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Hi, I posted this study because I have Asperger’s and this is what was always said about my behavior. Yesterday I literally had to stop myself from sending photographs to the police of a guy walking his dog off leash in a park that has signs forbidding it. And my reason for wanting to call the police is because of my compassion for the dog or for anyone the dog to hurt. Not so much that it was only that the man was d…

Can you explain how it's more compassionate for a dog to be kept leashed? In my experience dogs are less stressed without a leash. The primary reason for using a leash is that I feel compassionate about people who are afraid of dogs or don't like them. Seeing a leashed dog makes them feel more secure.

Having your dog on a lease is better for everyone involved.

It's very annoying how people anthropomorphize and refuse to take responsibility for their animals.

Guess what, your dog isn't a person and if it gets agitated and attacks someone, that's your fault. If it decides to chase a squirrel he sees across the street and gets hit by a passing car in the process, that's your fault.

Barring all the worst case scenarios, consider that other people don't like your dog jumping up on them nor do they want it pissing and shitting on their property, which is what most dogs do if left to their own devices.

Often people who won't leash their dogs claim that the animal is trained well enough to not need it, but this is rarely true. In reality, such dog owners usually just don't care about others and will readily blame anybody but themselves when their unleashed dog gets into trouble.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mo_42 »

Podgajski wrote: post #43
mo_42 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how it's more compassionate for a dog to be kept leashed? In my experience dogs are less stressed without a leash. The primary reason for using a leash is that I feel compassionate about people who are afraid of dogs or don't like them. Seeing a leashed dog makes them feel more secure.

I personally don’t think we should have domesticated dogs for pets at all because I think that is cruel on its own. Having an animal for a pet to me, is selfish breeding of pets should be outlawed. But using a leash is part of the domestication process. I can tell you I was at a national park this year, and two off leash pitbulls and a Labrador charged at me. If it wasn’t for my knowledge about dogs, I probably would…

> I personally don’t think we should have domesticated dogs for pets at all because I think that is cruel on its own. Having an animal for a pet to me, is selfish breeding of pets should be outlawed.

I fully agree. Yet animal shelters are crammed after the pandemic. Adopting an animal can improve their live.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mjburgess »

metaphor wrote: post #69
mjburgess wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be important to realise that signs and rules are made up by sign-makers and rule-makers; often to their benefit. Reality doesnt come with a rule about leashing dogs on grass. It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog. I read your impulse to act here as your mind being hijacked by the sign-maker to conscript you into their preferred…

This struck me as so absurdly anti-social with a pinch of blatant dismissal for why certain rules in public spaces exist to begin with that it reads like you're intentionally trolling the parent in bad faith. You know what also doesn't care about the rules of ordered society and the potentially deadly consequences of breaking them? Animals. Disagree? Only a fool spitting into the wind would permit me to unleash my se…

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mrangle »

nyanmatt wrote: post #20

“With autism” A large portion of the autistic community is very against this phrasing. Autism is not a disease you carry, or something you “have”. It should be used as an adjective to describe a person: “Autistic people less likely to succumb to bystander effect” Edit: If you follow through to the actual paper referenced you can see they use the correct phrasing.

And yet, the clinical standard has been to use the "with" terminology for a long time now. For exactly the general reason that you present, just with your grammatical paradigm inverted.

The fact is that anyone can copy and paste "offense" complaints and insert any grammar that they want into ad-lib spaces.

What the ASD community could use less of is individuals utilizing it as their political arena.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by Yoric »

jollofricepeas wrote: post #39
Yoric wrote: post #7

Anecdotal evidence: around me, several kids are on the autistic spectrum. It's hard to prevent them from intervening when they notice what they feel is an injustice, towards them or others. At some point, this included one of them regularly attempting to rescue babies from baby trolleys, which they considered a prison. Fortunately, the would-be rescuer was only aged 3 at the time.

Hate to be another person with another anecdote. But… I manage several neurodivergent people and to be honest they are the best thing about our company. They lead in areas that neurotypicals do not which often is being one of the few to speak out when something appears to be wrong or is wrong. Specifically… - issues that impact women, ethnic minorities & lgbtqia - issues that impact healthcare coverage for pay - issu…

I've had similar experience managing ND people. I'll be more than happy to repeat the experience!
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