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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by chii »

yborg wrote: post #151
bruce511 wrote: post #88

>> Maybe that’s how YouTube will win this war of attrition. YouTube will win because they are financially incentivised to so so. UBO and other free blockers will fail because there is so much downside, and no upside. Wars are always won by those with the most resources, whether it is money or people or both. I say this not to gloat (I'm no fan of google) but rather because it can be useful to understand both the goal…

>Wars are always won by those with the most resources, whether it is money or people or both North Vietnam and the Taliban would probably beg to differ. Sometimes wars are won by the side that wants it the most.

In both examples, the war required a resource called public support, and the US lost a lot of it.

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KingGeedorah wrote: post #250

I feel like if you're the type of person to download uBlock and set specific filters you're the type of person to never click on an ad on purpose. I don't understand why Youtube is doing this, wouldn't it make their numbers look better if the people that won't click ads never have them delivered to them (5% of users clicked on ads vs 1% of users clicked on ads)

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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by collaborative »

HeeroML wrote: post #528
j16sdiz wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nebula was created by a few creator, trying to solve this problem. I have no idea how well it worked out - I am still contented with the ad-filled YouTube

No it actually wasn’t. Nebula isn’t sustainable. It’s co financed by curiositystream.

Do you know if Rumble is sustainable? Just curious

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Post by chii »

f33d5173 wrote: post #152
bruce511 wrote: post #88

>> Maybe that’s how YouTube will win this war of attrition. YouTube will win because they are financially incentivised to so so. UBO and other free blockers will fail because there is so much downside, and no upside. Wars are always won by those with the most resources, whether it is money or people or both. I say this not to gloat (I'm no fan of google) but rather because it can be useful to understand both the goal…

> wars are always won by those with the most resources Youtube's early success was in large part due to enabling mass music piracy. That war was won, principally, by youtube and pirates, when rightsholders agreed to youtune them distribute music for only meagre advertising revenue. Besides youtube, torrenting music continues basically unchecked today, despite the massive resources available to combat it, and the stro…

Such a manual method would only have videos of the most popular content.

Not to mention the labour required is not scalable tbh.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by willdr »

figmert wrote: post #585
philistine wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And no, I won't pay for YouTube Premium — because that wasn't part of the deal either. There's also the ridiculous fact it is literally impossible to pay to remove the ads without also getting the horrible Youtube Music service.

Why does this matter? Can't you just not use it?

Because they're sold together, so if you wanted forgo YouTube Music, you'd assume it'd be cheaper.

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Post by chii »

mrkramer wrote: post #249

I watch ads on YouTube mobile app because there in no way to block ads over there but why the hell YouTube and Google want me to watch ads on a desktop YouTube?! Doesn't majority of Google's and YouTube's ad revenue come from mobile?

On android, you can use Revanced to watch YouTube and it blocks all ads. https://old.reddit.com/r/revancedapp/ has info on what to do.

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Post by mkesper »

mrtksn wrote: post #515
eqvinox wrote: post #427

This is of course bringing up the discussion on the "morality" of Adblocking. I'd like to point out something that I don't think is getting enough attention. There was a point in the past where video platforms were competing, and by no means was it clear that YouTube would end up dominating this area to the point of being close to a monopoly. When YouTube won that race, they won it with a given set of parameters, inc…

Isn't that the whole premise of the SV tech? Give a dollar(unprofitable and unsustainable service) for a pennies by burning the money of the investors to capture a market then switch to high profit margin business practices and milk out the captured market thereafter. Sure, it can be framed as spend money when developing a product then make profit of it when released but the winners are determined by keeping alive th…

Everything you said is right except for the "rightfully".

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Post by samplatt »

amadvance wrote: post #534
eqvinox wrote: post #427

This is of course bringing up the discussion on the "morality" of Adblocking. I'd like to point out something that I don't think is getting enough attention. There was a point in the past where video platforms were competing, and by no means was it clear that YouTube would end up dominating this area to the point of being close to a monopoly. When YouTube won that race, they won it with a given set of parameters, inc…

I'm also a heavy user of ad blockers, but there is something to be said in defense of YouTube. Creators have the final decision on the ads shown. I have a YouTube channel, and I always disable monetization on all my videos, so no ads are ever shown on my channel. If you see an ad, it's because the creator decided to include one. YouTube is simply the platform that enables this choice.

My YT account has a total of five personally-recorded videos (from the era where smartphone cameras still sucked) with no music in the background and no monetisation on any of them.

One of the videos was hit with an automated DMCA takedown, one was hit with a "mature content" takedown, and the remaining 3 have ads on them now.

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Post by Garvi »

ketzo wrote: post #8

Why, from first principles, should YouTube allow this? Why shouldn’t they go thermonuclear? I understand ads are annoying - I block as many as I can! - but I’ve never seen someone put together a coherent defense of the practice.

Youtube is very much in the wrong here. They are playing victim while there's hundreds of firms out there that would kill to be in their position, but cannot as Youtube has the monopoly on video on demand. Is this what we want, one megacorp for every major industry? Sounds like the Soviet Union and very much the polar opposite of competition, which is the base for any capitalistic society. A healthy market would have sorted this adds mess out by itself. Even if Youtube were an entity on it's own and not already owned by an even more massive corp, it'd be way overdue for breaking up. No competition -> no capitalism -> no personal prosperity -> no personal financial freedom

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by davet91 »

nickthegreek wrote: post #125
oaththrowaway wrote: post #32

I use NewPipe on my phone, SmartTubeNext on my Android TV, and uBlock+FF inside of a container without being logged in on my laptop. I was at a friend's house yesterday and they showed me a video on YouTube. I couldn't believe how many ads there were. It was unwatchable. Not sure how people don't pay for premium or block ads. What a miserable experience.

What’s the difference between SmartTube and SmartTubeNext? I just recently put ST on my shield and it’s been working great.

It's the same. They dropped the "Next" some time ago.
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