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>As a user of something open source you are not thereby entitled to anything at all. You are not entitled to contribute. You are not entitled to features. You are not entitled to the attention of others. You are not entitled to having value attached to your complaints. You are not entitled to this explanation.
I've been wondering, how much does the average YouTube viewer generate in revenue by watching ads? $0.1 a month? $0.25? $0.5 if avid viewer? Given that I'm not an avid viewer and I do not care at all for YouTube Music, I just find the monthly cost of YouTube Premium too high. I don't know what the right price should be, but by comparing with other digital subscriptions I have, I think I would be OK with paying someth…
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Pay-per-view creates a perverse incentive to make SEO noise and make it more difficult to find what you want. You would be mostly paying to make your life worse. Better to just block ads, encourage and help others to block ads, and hope those sites die.
I certainly understand the perverse incentive, but that's already the incentive we're working under. And how do you propose we fairly compensate people for the value they've created when making content? How can we support artists, journalists, and so on to do the work that we enjoy? If everyone did as you suggest, spammy SEO sites will be the last to die, because the effort invested to make them is so much lower than…
From what I've seen on youtube, almost all professional "content creators" make very shallow entertainment (or thinly veiled ads), which at least personally usually just makes me feel disappointed in myself for having wasted my time if I indulge.
> entitlement towards free services like uBlock origin. To be fair uBlock origin users feel entitled to use YouTube, an extremely expensive operation to run, without giving anything in return. I say this as someone who uses Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin. Websites are nigh unusable without ad block. But as far as ads go YouTube is far and away one of the least offensive imho. If you don’t like ads you could choose…
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This 1% has been free-riding the YouTube experience. I am part of it. But I know I'm a free-rider, I am not feeling righteous about it.
All those companies are free riding open source specific and humanity in general. Nothing of value is lost. Google will dissappear. People will install some p2p thing on old laptop stacks, and peer tube will take over. Life finds a way.
I watch ads on YouTube mobile app because there in no way to block ads over there but why the hell YouTube and Google want me to watch ads on a desktop YouTube?! Doesn't majority of Google's and YouTube's ad revenue come from mobile?
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Don't fall for that scam. If you pay for such a service, it only increases the value of your attention even further. You're clearly demonstrating you have enough disposable income to pay their extortion fees. It only makes them want sell to you even more. You're paying to segment the market for them. There is no context where a rational businessman would choose not to advertise to you. Someone will at some point real…
> There is no context where a rational businessman would choose not to advertise to you. ...except, the businessman wanting to show me an advert doesn't have a choice. The website chose DoubleClick; I'm paying DoubleClick not to show me any ads. Websites that don't choose DoubleClick either get adblocked, or I avoid, thus making less money from me. There is some expected value that DoubleClick will get from me in the…
The only way to deal with these people is to reduce their profits to zero, not come up with ways to increase them. We simply decide that ads are unacceptable and that's the end of it. They either adapt or die.
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I think this is a great take, with one exception: I think the loss of (free) ad-supported YouTube would be a devastating loss for the world at large.
Nah, rubbish. We've been able to do high quality video with P2P protocols for decades at this point. We have the bandwidth and the storage just sitting there. The only reason we haven't developed a system like YouTube is because we have YouTube. But take YouTube out of the picture and we're very ready for something like Wikipedia for videos. Let's not forget that just 20 years ago we didn't even have a free encyclopa…
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Just out of curiosity what countries are those?
Jordan and Kenya. I'm American, for what it's worth. Frustrating that I can't just pay and use Premium while they sort out their content jurisdiction issues. They know what I'm watching, and from where—can't they figure out how to do their licensing stuff?! If I subscribe while in the US/EU (or on a VPN) it works, but the second you connect from an IP in a country that isn't supported, you get a notice that you will…
Apart from the Youtube stuff, the post also highlights something else, entitlement towards free services like uBlock origin. > It’s one thing to play cat and mouse with YouTube. It’s quite another to deal with a wave of angry users. > And then one of the moderators actually deleted their Reddit account. “The ID in the post wasn’t updated because my mother was hospitalized,” they said. It’s sad to see them leave becau…
> I have seen this becoming more and more common on open source projects and totally free services, where people act as if they are entitled to something as if it is their god given right. Do you count YouTube as a "free service" (with ads) in this case? I wonder if there is an overlap with people that expect free stuff and people that use uBO on YouTube. YT does offer most users YT premium, which gives users an ad f…