I’m totally surprised that the users who don’t want to pay for youtube premium and who don’t want to pay their fair share through ads are also the entitled type who harass the adblock devs expecting instant service for free.
YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I were an advertiser on YouTube I would be very wary of YouTube's efforts on this. I wouldn't want to be paying YouTube for ad views of people who find advertising so annoying that they make such an effort to block it. Best case scenario, frustrated ex-adblock-users will ignore my ads by muting them or looking away, so I'm paying the same price for less value, sometimes as low as zero. Worst case scenario, these u…
I don't think most people use adblockers, people who don't know what browser extensions are just suffer the ads. If users would want to make Youtube change its policy, there's a better way: get together and start acting like a click farm. If you click every ad on every page and immediately open the tabs you opened, advertisers will start paying Google for nothing. Something like a subreddit coming together would defi…
>The AdNauseam approach to ad blocking isn't great for the security side of ad blocking
It's for this reason I'll never use it. Some kind of automated headless version of AdNauseam that could be installed on a Raspberry Pi is something I would be more comfortable using.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
But I don't understand why this would be annoying at all to the developers. I have absolutely zero conundrum with just ignoring a request if I'm not in the mood to do it. Most of them I even delete outright, but I still have requests that were sent to me in 00s that I'm keeping just in case one day "I'm in the mood". And yes, people request (demand!) crazy things, and have done so for decades. There are even "If you…
But why are you working on a project? If it isn't for the money then you are doing it to 'give back to the community'. But if they are turning hostile to you then why continue?
Because you want to see that sort of project exist and if no one else is doing it, why not yourself? That's why I work on (certain) projects anyway, not for any community support or for money.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I were an advertiser on YouTube I would be very wary of YouTube's efforts on this. I wouldn't want to be paying YouTube for ad views of people who find advertising so annoying that they make such an effort to block it. Best case scenario, frustrated ex-adblock-users will ignore my ads by muting them or looking away, so I'm paying the same price for less value, sometimes as low as zero. Worst case scenario, these u…
I use an ad blocker just as a blanket response to too much crap on websites and being uninterested in having advertising be in my face as much as it would be without. However, that's not to say that all advertising is irrelevant, or that I'm immune to it. When an ad gets through usually my response is something to the tune of "oh well". The devil's advocate argument against your second to last point is that you'd act…
It sounds nice in principle, but, anecdotally, I had some youtube ads slip through on my phone recently and made a mental note against buying any of the brands advertised.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, you still read them though, right? And you somewhat sort out the ones based on how much of a buffoon the user is? Maybe someone with excellent writing skills and having demonstrated reading all the documentation and FAQs is still asking for help in a respectful and intelligent way, and so maybe you engage. All of that is mental tax. And it gets tiring, even if you're mostly ignoring the request. It's still ti…
> Maybe someone with excellent writing skills and having demonstrated reading all the documentation and FAQs is still asking for help in a respectful and intelligent way, and so maybe you engage. You mean it gets tiring to find the entertaining messages instead of the random trash? Because it doesn't matter how much effort the sender has put, or how intelligent his request/question/contribution/comment is. If I'm not…
Maybe you can ignore it? And that's great, if so.
But I know I can't. I'm perfectly fine ignoring the buffoons. But I feel much anxiety over ignoring an insightful request or comment that would benefit both myself and the user if I were to engage.
If I'm passionate about a project (in whatever form of contribution), I definitely want to help people who are genuinely looking for help. The problem is the signal to noise is way out of line, heavy skewed the wrong direction.
For me it's a mental tax to wade through and find the good requests sorting them out from the bad ones. And it causes anxiety to miss the good ones.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
These are good points. There is also a separate point to make, which is that YouTube doesn't (in large part) create videos, they "just" host other people's videos. YouTube wants to capture a bigger and bigger slice of the value created by interactions of other people with each other. There is a question of how much monetization YouTube "deserves" versus how much they are able to actually extract from people by being…
Right, that's an interesting point. On the one hand, Youtube itself doesn't add value. The creator uploads are the value. But if Youtube didn't monetize, presumably with the rise of the Youtube star, content creators wouldn't make enough money and would not publish there. So if you think of it from this angle, Youtube needs to go to war with ad blockers simply because their content creator, the users adding value, re…
Youtube definitely adds value though. The ability to upload and forget, comments, comment moderation, subscriptions, playlists, recommendations, community posts, transcoding, closed captioning, video section labeling.
They may not all be valuable to each individual person, but all together they form the YouTube experience.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really a fair comparison. The equivalent to "looking the other way," on YouTube would be exactly that, looking somewhere other than the ad (opening another browser, going to the bathroom, etc.). Ad Blockers are essential painting over the bus stop ad completely, so you don't even have a chance to see it.
What about using AR glasses that recognize ads and paint them over? Is that also unfair? Should we ban such AR glasses in the future?
That’s not an appropriate analogy: advertisers know what they’re getting into and how much they pay isn’t contingent on forcing you to look.
If AR glasses become common, expect to see ad revenues decline even as ads become more annoying.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I were an advertiser on YouTube I would be very wary of YouTube's efforts on this. I wouldn't want to be paying YouTube for ad views of people who find advertising so annoying that they make such an effort to block it. Best case scenario, frustrated ex-adblock-users will ignore my ads by muting them or looking away, so I'm paying the same price for less value, sometimes as low as zero. Worst case scenario, these u…
I don't think most people use adblockers, people who don't know what browser extensions are just suffer the ads. If users would want to make Youtube change its policy, there's a better way: get together and start acting like a click farm. If you click every ad on every page and immediately open the tabs you opened, advertisers will start paying Google for nothing. Something like a subreddit coming together would defi…
The issue with this is that google might show you ads that distribute malware.
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#209Apart from the Youtube stuff, the post also highlights something else, entitlement towards free services like uBlock origin. > It’s one thing to play cat and mouse with YouTube. It’s quite another to deal with a wave of angry users. > And then one of the moderators actually deleted their Reddit account. “The ID in the post wasn’t updated because my mother was hospitalized,” they said. It’s sad to see them leave becau…
I hope the people developing uBlock Origin and all the filter lists are alright. They're my heroes. No one deserves this treatment, least of all them.
I like to take a moment to publicly thank them whenever the opportunity to do so arises. Thank you so much!
Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, that's an interesting point. On the one hand, Youtube itself doesn't add value. The creator uploads are the value. But if Youtube didn't monetize, presumably with the rise of the Youtube star, content creators wouldn't make enough money and would not publish there. So if you think of it from this angle, Youtube needs to go to war with ad blockers simply because their content creator, the users adding value, re…
> I also wonder if the rise of the "this video is sponsored by xyz" segments in people's videos have cause more harm. That ad money that is circumventing Youtube entirely, paid directly to the content producer. So Youtube might be "jealous" of this revenue and wants to encourage its content producers to let them run ads only? I think this is exactly right, but what's missing from the story is that YouTube created thi…
> demonetized and lose out on all the revenue (while still showing ads on the videos!)
Demonetized is often a misnomer in this case. The actual term YouTube uses is "limited monetization", which shows the limited ads on the video, and still earns the creator money from those ads. The issue comes from those ads being super cheap because no one wants to put ads on those videos, and therefore the creator makes a fraction of the usual revenue. Found at least 1 post from 3 years ago saying 1% [0]
> they would do it by actually addressing creator concerns about reliability of their revenue streams.
Until users are more willing to pay for YouTube, YouTube will continue to have their own concerns about their revenue streams, which is the same ads. Basically giving the ad companies all the power in this ecosystem. [1]
I've heard plenty of creators advocate for Premium because it is also a more predictable (and profitable) revenue stream and takes the ad companies out of the ecosystem. [2]
[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/PartneredYoutube/comments/ipkrxv/co...
[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/analyst-predicts-the-youtube...
[2] https://mas.to/@TechConnectify/111319895234933188 from just a few hours ago.