I heard of this a while ago too - https://github.com/documenso/documenso
Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
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#102I wish there was a free alternative to the German/Europe QES ("Qualified Signature"). The cheapest currently is about 20 EUR/ Month and allows you to make 3 Signatures. Others ask for 50 EUR for each QES. I hate to pay for my own Signature! We need something like Let's Encrypt for signatures.
Re: Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
#103I wish there was a free alternative to the German/Europe QES ("Qualified Signature"). The cheapest currently is about 20 EUR/ Month and allows you to make 3 Signatures. Others ask for 50 EUR for each QES. I hate to pay for my own Signature! We need something like Let's Encrypt for signatures.
> We need something like Let's Encrypt for signatures.
It's not the technical infrastructure, it's about trust. LE only solved the problem of safe transport, but not verification of authenticity of the endpoints. That's what incurs such cost.
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#104> You will need to create an AWS S3 bucket or digital ocean space in order to store your uploaded documents
The org I work for would love to self-host on-premise a digital signing solution so they definitely won't use external dependencies like AWS. Theoretically they could swap with minio but last time we used it it was not a drop-in replacement yet.
Re: Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
#105I wish there was a free alternative to the German/Europe QES ("Qualified Signature"). The cheapest currently is about 20 EUR/ Month and allows you to make 3 Signatures. Others ask for 50 EUR for each QES. I hate to pay for my own Signature! We need something like Let's Encrypt for signatures.
> We need something like Let's Encrypt for signatures. It's not the technical infrastructure, it's about trust. LE only solved the problem of safe transport, but not verification of authenticity of the endpoints. That's what incurs such cost.
The endpoint (my ID) is free - it can be used to verify myself digitally. And that is what all QES services do, initially (once). What other costs if not hardware/bandwidth apply?
Re: Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
#106I suppose there is a need of a trusted 3rd entity that runs the service.
Otherwise anybody could run the service and pretend that anybody else signed any documents they want at any time they wanted.
I am not familiar with DocuSign internal but it looks like people are identified by their email. So only if you can click the link received in their email, it can be them.
I guess a problem with DocuSign is still that anybody can sign up for a new email and pretend to be anybody they want.
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#107> You will need to create an AWS S3 bucket or digital ocean space in order to store your uploaded documents The org I work for would love to self-host on-premise a digital signing solution so they definitely won't use external dependencies like AWS. Theoretically they could swap with minio but last time we used it it was not a drop-in replacement yet.
We will be supporting more storage providers including self hosting soon.
Re: Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
One think that I think they provide (as opposed to the self hosted version) is just the fact of being a relatively neutral third party. If there’s a dispute over the veracity of a signature, it’s probably helpful to have a third party say “according to our server logs and software stack, this was signed by johndoe@example.com at 12:41pm on August 3rd, from the IP address XX.XXX.XXX.XX, and they authenticated with the…
Late to the party here, but I deal in this space all day. You are 100% correct. Disputes over eSignatures come up allllll the time. And if you mention that it was "DocuSigned"... although you have done nothing aside from name-dropping... it will essentially end the dispute. Not saying that it should. Just saying that it does.
Hopefully people will say “OpenSigned” one day and it will have the same impact.
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#109My understanding (possibly incorrect) is that competing with DocuSign is hard because of the need to follow obscure state and National laws (many of which are defined by case law rather than published law) in order for the signatures to be legally binding. Is that the case? And if so, is there evidence OpenSign has done this kind of SME research to make sure the electronic signatures are legally binding, or is this m…
Depends on the jurisdiction and your definition of "hard" - in the EU there's some kind of qualification process by the regulators but the system is supposedly design to encourage competition and be open to new providers, and it's enough to be approved by one country's regulators I think.
Re: Show HN: OpenSign – Open source alternative to DocuSign
#110My understanding (possibly incorrect) is that competing with DocuSign is hard because of the need to follow obscure state and National laws (many of which are defined by case law rather than published law) in order for the signatures to be legally binding. Is that the case? And if so, is there evidence OpenSign has done this kind of SME research to make sure the electronic signatures are legally binding, or is this m…
Lawyer here. Not legal advice. Really not that much by way of law to consider. If everyone agrees that an E-signature is good, then, generally speaking, an e-signature is good. I’d suggest it’s more on the people actually drafting the documents being signed than the software layer facilitating.
Not a lawyer, but I know the position in the UK is pretty simple and much the same.
The purpose of someone like Docusign is to provide a trusted third party to provide evidence.
For most purposes GPG signed email (or anything else with a similar signature) would work perfectly well provided you could prove who the keys belong to. In fact it would be better than DOcusign who can (from the few documents I have signed) ultimately only really show they sent an email with a signing link to your email address.
The last one from them has a warning:
"Do Not Share This Email This e-mail contains a secure link to DocuSign. Please do not share this e-mail, link or access code with others."