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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by justnotworthit »

invalidname wrote: post #296
teleforce wrote: post #287

Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict? No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure. It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2],[3]. We are some…

It also included offices for the Hamas and was a symbol of its power. That was the main motivation for removing it.

We can now say cutting off the internet is their goal:

Israeli official says will fight Starlink’s deployment in Gaza

The minister of communications has said Israel will “use all means at its disposal to fight” the use of Elon Musk’s Starlink to support connectivity for aid groups in Gaza.

Posting on X, Shlomo Khari said if the Starlink satellite internet is deployed “Hamas will use it for terrorist activities”.

“There is no doubt about it, we know it, and Musk knows it,” he wrote.

“Perhaps Musk would be willing to condition it with the release of our abducted babies, sons, daughters, elderly people,” he wrote.

Musk had made the offer to use Starlink in Gaza earlier today, although further details have yet to emerge.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by archagon »

bawolff wrote: post #333
teleforce wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that some people easily believe in Israel propaganda without digging the actual reasons, and how can the people know the actual reasons when the facts are all buried together with the rubbles of communication infrastructure and the main offices of reporting news agencies. It is part of international laws and basic human rights that during the war you cannot demolish communication infrastructure, churches, mo…

> It is part of international laws and basic human rights that during the war you cannot demolish communication infrastructure, churches, mosques, hospitals, news agency offices, schools, civilian homes, etc. Umm you can if they are being used for military purposes.

If an entire city is held hostage by a terrorist ruling party, does that mean that you have carte blanche to raze the city and displace or eliminate its civilian population?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by FireBeyond »

raindear wrote: post #381
FireBeyond wrote: post #122

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> Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. Mistakes? To be clear, before I continue further: Hamas is a terrorist organization. Hamas also has a lot of support within Palestine. Now then, scenario 1) how, realistically, do you propose that the regular non-Hamas supporting Palestinian works to eradicate Hamas? Hamas have arms. (Let's not also forget how hard right Israel…

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. There have not been tanks there since.

Their navy in the Port of Gaza where they've been since 2007 would beg to differ.

The Israeli army has regularly been in Gaza, including but not limited to 2019, and 2021 (where the IDF had to discipline soldiers for unauthorized attacks).

There may not be a permanent presence there, but nonetheless.

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Post by FireBeyond »

ipaddr wrote: post #238
culi wrote: post #199

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> Yes, let's let this terrorists who killed babies cold blooded This is a completely made up fake story that's oft repeated by the Netanyahu administration. No basis in reality And you should really learn about the history of Palestine and all the attempts at peace. Israel has occupied Palestine for decades and has murdered thousands. In 2014 alone they killed 2,300 Palestinians. 70% of those being civilians. In retu…

Hamas is 8% of Gaza's males and whatever families support them at the least. "If you lost your brother, mother, sister, etc, wouldn't that push you to... doing something? Anything?" Are you saying you support Israel's response?

Gaza is 2.1 million people.

Hamas armed members are estimated at 15-30,000.

That seems more like .8%, not 8%.

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Post by YZF »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #87
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #63

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If you think any other country with a massively more powerful army would put up with a neighbor intermittently terrorizing them and then hide behind civilians and not respond similarly, I'm not sure what to tell you. Doesn't make it right. But there's no easy way out of this. Look at the US response to 9-11 to see what other countries would do...

It’s a 25x5 mile strip of land, where Palestinians aren’t even allowed to build near the border. Where exactly are they supposed to operate out of? And it turns out it’s quite easy to not bomb civilians. You don’t drop bombs in cities.

I'm not following the logic. Lebanon is much larger yet Hezbollah also embeds rocket launchers in with civilian infrastructure. Ukraine is vast yet cities are getting bombed all the time and are used as cover. Would you suggest to Ukraine that they should refrain from attacking Russian soldiers when they're in a city?

Is your theory that if the Hamas had more land on which to place rockets they fire at Israeli civilians then they would take more care to place them ("operate out of") away from civilians?

To answer your question, they're not supposed to "operate out of" anywhere in the first place.

Israeli civilians and cities are under more or less constant attack or threat of attack.

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Post by YZF »

uluyol wrote: post #84
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think any other country with a massively more powerful army would put up with a neighbor intermittently terrorizing them and then hide behind civilians and not respond similarly, I'm not sure what to tell you. Doesn't make it right. But there's no easy way out of this. Look at the US response to 9-11 to see what other countries would do...

The Palestinians are not intermittently but continuously oppressed. Israel can stop it at any time but chooses not to, hence the retaliation by the Palestinians. What Israel is doing now is not retaliation but doubling down on their standard M.O. You've got the history backwards, friend.

This is factually and morally wrong.

- Israel is not intermittently but continuously under attack since 1948 for its mere existence.

- Since when does being "oppressed" give anyone the right to launch rockets on civilians and commit suicide bombings? There are many people in this world who are much worse off than Palestinians who would never imagine engaging in these sorts of acts.

- The Hamas wants Jews erased. It doesn't matter what Israel "stops" or does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

rasz wrote: post #438
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #202

History suggests expunging determined, fortified, modern militants embedded in a civilian population never goes well. The expunger loses or gets a pyrrhic victory, even with a huge economic advantage. Honestly, however dire the need, I don't see what Israel is thinking. If Israel, the US, Europe, China and Russia all held hands and invaded the Gaza strip together, they still probably couldn't route out Hamas.

Depends on your definition of success. It only doesnt work if you care about infrastructure. It will work if Israel aims to flatten Gaza into the ground.

True, unfortunately.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

ovao wrote: post #174
enterprise_cog wrote: post #130

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What if Israel stopped killing Palestinians and normalized relations with Gaza? Israel could choose a different path.

Would you argue that the Hamas attack against Israeli non-military citizens on October 7th was an attempt by Palestinians to normalize relations?

The State of Israel welcomed the attack.

You would have to be an utter idiot to believe otherwise given how strong their surveillance apparatus is and the type of equipment it took to break through the barrier.

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Post by pauldenton »

drewbug01 wrote: post #353
invalidname wrote: post #259

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The warnings were given for a while now. Unfortunately, the Hamas has set up roadblocks to prevent civilians from fleeing to the safe zone. They are using civilians (their own people and children) as human shields.

Is that true? I can only find news sources claiming that based only on information from the IDF, and those news sources don’t exactly seem neutral. This smells odd to me.

Well you're not getting any on the ground reporting from Gaza because their internet is destroyed and their Cellphones are out of batteries

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Post by pauldenton »

bawolff wrote: post #327
DoreenMichele wrote: post #201

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As another person who doesn't understand what's going on, I'm seeing articles that indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries and not come back and trying to use low cost tactics like telling them to evacuate to limit actual cost as well as international pushback. And some people are saying "That's a big fat nope."

> indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries I mean, this is obviously untrue since there is no other country they can go to. Gaza shares a border with only israel and egypt and neither is letting anyone leave (a fucked up situation for the innocents caught in the middle)

If you really believe that Europe and America aren't going to receive any refugees from Gaza I have a bridge to sell you
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