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Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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If Apple releases mid-tier phone after this, they will win the market for sure.

Isn't an iPhone SE pretty mid-tier?

$429 MSRP for the SE (3rd) vs $250 MSRP for a Moto G 5G 2023.

There's certainly arguments to be had about comparisons, and maybe better pricing with careful shopping and hoop jumping, but Apple simply doesn't address the wide global market of people with limited means, and it shows in their global market share.

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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Frankly, I can't imagine a reason not to buy an iPhone instead of whatever Android device happens to be around besides ideological differences. The customer experience is so vastly superior to these bloatware filled, borderline spyware Samsung/Xiamoi/OnePlus devices.

Most of the world simply can't afford an iPhone.

More practically, supply chains are finite. No single company, even as big as Apple, can make enough units for everyone.

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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Samsung and the other manufacturers shot themselves in the foot so hard on this one. When this news trickles down to the average Mexican (ie someone not in the tech industry), the message they will get won't be "don't buy grey market phones, buy official phones", it will be "don't by Samsung, ZTE, etc, they will lock your phone".

> "don't by Samsung, ZTE, etc, they will lock your phone"

I may be in the tech industry in the US, but this is absolutely the message I got as well.

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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That was the first thing I wondered; how will they avoid this? Let's say I'm going there for an extended trip and decide to get a local SIM card. Will my phone just go poof?

I think they avoid it by only targeting phones bought in one market but with first account setup and first SIM from another. So your exposure would be if you decided to factory reset the phone, use a new Samsung/Google account, and get a local SIM.

So you can avoid it by not setting up Samsung/Google account?

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People are always unconcerned until their data leaks, then it turns out that the stuff they considered uninteresting was actually something they'd rather have kept private.

At that point I think my challenge is to not have anything you’d rather be private on a platform you don’t actually have control over, or why have it on a phone in the first place.

One of the most private things your phone knows about you is where you are at any given time. It's completely possible to design phones and cellular networks in such a way that they don't reveal that information to third parties, but we haven't, and that's bad.

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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God I wish I did anything interesting enough to merit that level of concern.

I suppose that’s the other side of this. There’s a kind of privacy-as-ideology black hole that I’ve seen people get sucked into, even if in actuality they have nothing and do nothing actually illegal/immoral/sensitive. Taking the time to install a custom ROM, run only FOSS apps, or find workarounds for needed apps, etc only to spend 90% of your time watching YouTube just doesn’t seem like a gain.

> Taking the time to install a custom ROM, run only FOSS apps, or find workarounds for needed apps, etc only to spend 90% of your time watching YouTube just doesn’t seem like a gain.

Think of it as reserving the right. Rights not exercised are lost. Retaining the ability to do something is valuable whether you need it right now or not. You may need it later.

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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I'm not buying after the client scanning debacle. That they would even come up with something like troubles me greatly, and I was tempted to ditch Android at that point.

You prefer totally non-transparent cloud scanning that allows for ad hoc, warrantless, untraceable, personally-targeted scans from anyone who can threaten a big company? I saw client-side scanning as much more transparent and limited. Yes, there could be abuses, but there is not a single possible abuse worse than what is already happening every day with cloud-side scanning.

> You prefer totally non-transparent cloud scanning that allows for ad hoc, warrantless, untraceable, personally-targeted scans from anyone who can threaten a big company?

If the choice is between that and having my devices being used by others against me, then absolutely yes. The cloud is someone else's computer. Their machines, their rules. But it should also be "my machines, my rules".

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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post #21

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That was the first thing I wondered; how will they avoid this? Let's say I'm going there for an extended trip and decide to get a local SIM card. Will my phone just go poof?

I think they avoid it by only targeting phones bought in one market but with first account setup and first SIM from another. So your exposure would be if you decided to factory reset the phone, use a new Samsung/Google account, and get a local SIM.

Samsung's "reason" was that the phone was not certified for that region - which is exactly what happens when you travel from one region to another.

Re: Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage [video]

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> We need a law, and that"s coming from a libertarian. > easily implemented by starting over and reprogramming everything. Press X to doubt. Theoretically a free market would/should solve this. That's been the dream of Free Software and hardware. Today you can run GNU/Linux on a PinePhone, or GrapheneOS or similar de-Googled Androids on a Pixel.

How would a free market prevent Samsung from doing this?

In a free market, people choosing not to buy Samsung phones would prevent them from doing this.
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