Playing nice hasn't worked
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Playing nice hasn't worked
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Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#2I think there's another reaction to the "I've been cancelled" article (other than "no, you haven't") which is: "What is your point (which allegedly got you cancelled)?"
That's why these articles are tedious.
Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? Just say that so we can get on with ignoring you.
Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#3I think there's another reaction to the "I've been cancelled" article (other than "no, you haven't") which is: "What is your point (which allegedly got you cancelled)?" That's why these articles are tedious. Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? Just say that so we can get on with ignoring you.
I guess the other question is what does she want? She is clearly getting media attention still (or does the linked article not exist?). We know from various shitshows in the U.S. that people listen to, respect and follow the kind of attitude and opinion she espouses. So what would someone like her find satisfying?
The problem with people who cannot find a reasonable way to live with "the other" or an out-group (to them) is that there will always be another target for them to choose, i.e. it's not any one group in particular which is a problem for them. So if trans people didn't exist, this same person would be talking about something else. For people such as this, the problem is their personality (so I guess they're deviated on some genetic level), which I guess is too harsh to say? I don't know.
Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#4I think there's another reaction to the "I've been cancelled" article (other than "no, you haven't") which is: "What is your point (which allegedly got you cancelled)?" That's why these articles are tedious. Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? Just say that so we can get on with ignoring you.
> Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist?
That's not what she is saying at all.
Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#5I think there's another reaction to the "I've been cancelled" article (other than "no, you haven't") which is: "What is your point (which allegedly got you cancelled)?" That's why these articles are tedious. Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? Just say that so we can get on with ignoring you.
I guess the other question is what does she want? She is clearly getting media attention still (or does the linked article not exist?). We know from various shitshows in the U.S. that people listen to, respect and follow the kind of attitude and opinion she espouses. So what would someone like her find satisfying? The problem with people who cannot find a reasonable way to live with "the other" or an out-group (to th…
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Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#6I think there's another reaction to the "I've been cancelled" article (other than "no, you haven't") which is: "What is your point (which allegedly got you cancelled)?" That's why these articles are tedious. Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? Just say that so we can get on with ignoring you.
> Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? That's not what she is saying at all.
No, I don't expect so. Writing those words would mean she took her head out of the sand long enough to see if modern medicine says "oh yeah guys there's only 100% men and 100% women, nothing else."
Has she made any statement about whether she'd back down from her position if her chromosomes turned out not to meet her expectations?
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess the other question is what does she want? She is clearly getting media attention still (or does the linked article not exist?). We know from various shitshows in the U.S. that people listen to, respect and follow the kind of attitude and opinion she espouses. So what would someone like her find satisfying? The problem with people who cannot find a reasonable way to live with "the other" or an out-group (to th…
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I don't understand the reason for putting gender identity in quotes? There are structural differences in the brains of cis and trans gendered people which result in their respective behaviour and outcomes [1].
Womens rights are trans rights at a philosophical and ideological level, and this tactic of using "protect the women" is unfortunately used by the same people who at times act against women rights [2].
[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3
[2] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/psj.12484
Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#8I think there's another reaction to the "I've been cancelled" article (other than "no, you haven't") which is: "What is your point (which allegedly got you cancelled)?" That's why these articles are tedious. Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? Just say that so we can get on with ignoring you.
Her book may try to make that point, but the point of article is seems to be more meta than that.
There are people, like this author, the journalists that interviewed her and the venues who booked her, that believe the open public discussion of ideas is of value to society.
What the author experienced was that discourse featuring opposing positions of ideologically popular topics seem to be subject to silencing/censorship.
By spiking articles, canceling forums and shelving interviews this author believes that something of value is being taken away from society.
Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#9From reading the article I'm not that shocked that people aren't having her back and that they're not broadcasting her views, if her own description of her behaviour makes her sound this abrasive how did other people perceive her?
Re: Playing nice hasn't worked
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is your point that you alone can stare down medical science and proclaim that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and aromatase deficiency don't exist? That's not what she is saying at all.
No, I don't expect so. Writing those words would mean she took her head out of the sand long enough to see if modern medicine says "oh yeah guys there's only 100% men and 100% women, nothing else." Has she made any statement about whether she'd back down from her position if her chromosomes turned out not to meet her expectations?
She's said a fair bit on the topic of DSDs, for example these tweets:
- https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1488064619428122625
- https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1496033865047150593
- https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1659205823565008897
And in her book, mostly relating to category eligibility policy in competitive sports. Also in some interviews, along the same lines as the above.