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I had to read this twice, because it seemed like you said that overprotective, and neglective parents have the same outcomes, but I think you are mostly trying to say that parents which are neither overprotective nor neglective have a lower rate of issues right?
I can try to elaborate, but my claims (and they are just claims), should be interpreted just as narrowly as you would when reading code, because changing even one little thing breaks the message: In the context of: "The kids I meet as a clinical psychologist": The ratio of kids "damaged" by neglect and impoverished homes, versus the kids that were struggling with anxiety or apathy caused by overprotection, was about…
New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed
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#82Just my personal experience working as a psychologist with kids: The kids who were overly protected had about the same amount of problems as the kids from seriously neglected homes. So when I want to make my case for NOT overprotecting kids, I say: "If you really want to damage your kid: Protect them from all adversity." I do think that the whole "suicide is increasing" trope is seldom put in context. Of course, it's…
> By contrast, it is so good to see that death by drowning and car accidents have plummeted over the last 50 years. Yes, less deaths are obviously a positive. However, could this be because of helicopter'ing adults? From kids not being allowed to be kids and put themselves in adverse places and face tough decisions? Mom won't let Johnny drive, she drives instead. Dad won't let Jane go out with friends on a camping tr…
I think what's most annoying about overprotection is not when people demand that the child should use a flotation vest while on a boat, but when they demand that other kids shouldn't be allowed to bring peanuts to school, because their kids have anxiety about nuts after a minor allergic reaction earlier in life (actual case I had).
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#83The great irony of helicopter parenting is it doesn't accomplish all that much. After you cover the First World basics (adequate nutrition, no violence in the home etc) you just don't have that much control over who your kids will eventually grow up to be, no matter how much test prep or whatever you throw at them. See also: https://www.npr.org/2011/04/22/135612560/selfish-reasons-for...
Case in point, I know someone who grew up with a helicopter parent who kept said person and their siblings effectively sheltered from adulthood well into their 20s. Despite all experiencing more or less the same childhood with a parent imposing the same values, each of the siblings ended up having very different personalities and attitudes towards life. They get along fairly well, but each is very different from one another, and none of them identify with the aformentioned parent. Although this person is more safety-paranoid than is average, which seems to be one of the few things to have been moulded by the parent. How positive!
There are many possible reasons for helicopter parenting, but I think one widespread cultural cause is the post Great Depression idea that failures in adulthood are borderline unrecoverable. When I was a young person not so long ago, a message we got from our authority figures was that, if we fail for whatever reason, it will have disastrous consequences; fail a classes or don't go to college and you'll be unsuccessful while your peers who did exactly what they were told will be showered with riches, safety, and happiness. This erroneous attitude is meant to keep young people in line and, though it doesn't always work, many young people internalize it, and their own parenting skills are influenced as a result.
Simultaneously, American society in the last century and half, and especially in the last two decades, has done far more to de-adultize young people than any society prior to it. So-called "adolescents" and even later teens, whom would have been considered adults until recent history, face a substantial amount of oppression from every level of society that more than ever are failing to launch at 18 or even after college. The more this happens, the less confidence that older adults have in the competence of young people, creating a cycle of more and more shielding.
Young people in America today are barely trusted with anything, which is ironic given that, in many parts of the world, they would be trusted with tasks like herding large animals and operating heavy machinery. Outside of a rural farm life, many young people are essentially treated as mentally challenged; they can't open a bank account without a parent having control over it, have their privacy routinely violated by their parents (not every parent does this, but it's extremely common), don't have control over their private property, can only work "safe" jobs for a limited number of hours, can't move away from their parents without begging a judge for emancipation, can't consent to their own medical treatment, can't vote, are subject to curfew laws, must go to public school, and so forth.
Garbage in, garbage out, anyone?
The view that children and even young people in their late teens need so much protection is a cycle that feeds itself, and there's scant evidence that such levels of protection are necessary. At worst, alienating young people from the adult world can be damaging and cause delays in becoming fully functional as an autonomous individual.
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#84The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…
That’s part of it. But a bigger part, at least in the United States, are laws that basically require you (or another adult) to supervise your child at all times until they are 12-15 depending on the state.
Another factor though I think are pervasive use of smartphones. We could explore the world (80ies/90ies) and do the stupid stuff that kids do, without the risk that someone films it and shares it among peers, makes a meme about it, or whatever. I think at a certain age children's behaviors are much more controlled (or staged) nowadays as a result of the awareness that you could be filmed.
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#85The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…
It’s only the perception of risk that changed.
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#87I got excited when I saw something about helicopters. There are hardly ever any articles about helicopters on HN. I have a commercial helicopter license and almost 900 hours of combined helicopter and airplane flight time. If any extra rich people in the bay area or Sacramento want to buy a heli I will be your personal pilot available 24/7. Helis can go almost anywhere. I love to fly but it is hard to fly them unless…
Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed
#88The title blames "helicopter parenting" while the actual study blames the lack of independent mobility: > Considerable research, mostly in Europe, has focused on children’s independent mobility (CIM), defined as children’s freedom to travel in their neighborhood or city without adult accompaniment Isn't that lack of independent mobility largely caused by car-centric urban planning? Children and teens can't safely roa…
It's not always efficient, but teens have time (saving a few minutes by using a car would make me waste a ton of time).
Personally I have a car, but I bike most of the time to go downtown because it's 15-20 mins away and there are those new bike paths that are clean in winter too (and much faster/fun than driving).
Re: New Study Says Maybe Helicopter Parenting Is Making Kids Depressed
#89I got excited when I saw something about helicopters. There are hardly ever any articles about helicopters on HN. I have a commercial helicopter license and almost 900 hours of combined helicopter and airplane flight time. If any extra rich people in the bay area or Sacramento want to buy a heli I will be your personal pilot available 24/7. Helis can go almost anywhere. I love to fly but it is hard to fly them unless…
The R44 is the one the keeps crashing isn’t it? That and the R22. New Zealand isn’t the ideal environment for them, we have 250. 18 deaths in 14 crashes. https://www.taic.org.nz/watchlist/robinson-helicopters-mast-...
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#90I am a victim of this and was depressed until, I took control of my life. The worst part is, all of your life decision are taken by the parents and you feel at odds at your own emotions when you grow up to become an adult. Now a days, any words that my parent utter, even if the advice is a good one, I never take them seriously. Lost trust on both the parents.
To me the worst part is that their behavior hasn't really changed as I became an adult, and in fact the have gotten worse. I'm not affected anymore due to stronger and more mature boundaries, but my siblings still are. And damn if it those boundaries are not isolating as hell.
Another very isolating factor is societal response to having a less than ideal relationship with ones parents. Some people really change their opinion on you after knowing you're not close with your folks.