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Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by gambiting »

grumpyprole wrote: post #23
psbp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android 14 has been a buggy mess for me on the Pixel 7 Pro. It's confounding that Google is still pushing out buggy Android releases.

Pixel phones are the bleeding edge though. You are basically beta testing for the other Android vendors.

It would be nice if that's what they were advertised as, not as top end premium Android devices with polished experience as a major selling point.

But I agree, I had a Pixel 6 briefly when my S23 was in repair for a week and it was an incredibly buggy experience in comparison, although it was quite pretty.

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by starfox64_ »

shric wrote: post #6
psbp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android 14 has been a buggy mess for me on the Pixel 7 Pro. It's confounding that Google is still pushing out buggy Android releases.

I upgraded to 14 on my Pixel 7 Pro a few days ago and didn't notice any problem so far. What are the worst issues I am likely to encounter?

I've noticed that tapping notifications has a significant delay (350ms or so) before it opens any app since upgrading to 14.

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by plugin-baby »

archeantus wrote: post #12
pzmarzly wrote: post #2

TIL HTC Dream was called T-Mobile G1 in the States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Dream

My first smartphone. I started working at Tmobile in college as a sales rep when the G1 came out and I immediately was smitten with it. The functionality and experience was so much better than anything that BlackBerry had to offer, yet all of the seasoned reps scoffed at the G1 and continued to push and sell Blackberries. They thought I was crazy to carry and sell the G1. I think I got the last laugh.

How was UI responsiveness vs blackberry? And keyboard?

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by glandium »

anotheronelost wrote: post #3

Missing from 2014: pushed out Lollipop release to OG Nexus tablets, destroying performance, leaving only those technical enough to downgrade with any way to keep using the devices. 2023: pushed out Android 14 update, removing access to any additional profiles used on the devices. TBF they still have time to deal with this one, but their response so far has been terrible. And yet I still buy the damn things because th…

I'm glad I have a Pixel 3a, which Google doesn't care about anymore, and won't get Android 14.

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by squarefoot »

rtpg wrote: post #28

Android existing is obviously good but I still wonder about the original sin of it being Java based. Latency on so many things always gets me (I still remember how an iPhone SE would routinely outperform a top of the line Galaxy for Google Maps), and I know “Java slow” is more of a meme than anything but I can’t help but imagine that it must affect every project (especially vendor stuff which might be competently mad…

Lazy management searching for the most used language back then and not willing to invest in finding what would have been the best technical solution, no matter the performance drawbacks. As a result, security is still a myth and Android can only dream the low latency performance of other platforms for example when making music.

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by rtpg »

squarefoot wrote: post #35
rtpg wrote: post #28

Android existing is obviously good but I still wonder about the original sin of it being Java based. Latency on so many things always gets me (I still remember how an iPhone SE would routinely outperform a top of the line Galaxy for Google Maps), and I know “Java slow” is more of a meme than anything but I can’t help but imagine that it must affect every project (especially vendor stuff which might be competently mad…

Lazy management searching for the most used language back then and not willing to invest in finding what would have been the best technical solution, no matter the performance drawbacks. As a result, security is still a myth and Android can only dream the low latency performance of other platforms for example when making music.

Is there really no out nowadays? I guess games get to just take control of the entire system and solve things that way?

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by codethief »

dataflow wrote: post #10
shric wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I upgraded to 14 on my Pixel 7 Pro a few days ago and didn't notice any problem so far. What are the worst issues I am likely to encounter?

> What are the worst issues I am likely to encounter? Complete loss of data. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-14s-ransomwa... Back up your data while you can.

Oh fuck me. Given that I'm on automatic updates and the update has already been downloaded, next time I reboot my phone it will switch to Android 14 automatically. :(

(And yup, I'm using work profiles and all that.)

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by saturn_vk »

shric wrote: post #6
psbp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android 14 has been a buggy mess for me on the Pixel 7 Pro. It's confounding that Google is still pushing out buggy Android releases.

I upgraded to 14 on my Pixel 7 Pro a few days ago and didn't notice any problem so far. What are the worst issues I am likely to encounter?

The lock screen won't show anything sometimes, and you can't unlock it. It's just a wallpaper. I had to enable face unlock and auto unlock in order to use the phone. It start the camera app with the power button, try to access photos frying there, and that gets the fingerprint to work and unlock it.

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

kaba0 wrote: post #15
hulitu wrote: post #8

> our mission has always been to bring computing to everyone Yet if you try to do computing on Android, you hit a wall: file access is absymal from a user point of view (virtual folders ?). Text editors are terrible. The only thing existing are some BASIC interpreters, terrible to use. Combine this with the unaccessible GUI (small scroll bars, widgets too big or too small) and everything tells you to go away and neve…

As opposed to what? Your Linux desktop that will readily allow sending your browser cache, ssh keys, family photos to anyone with a simple ‘npm install’, nothing at all preventing it? Also, if you call that GUI inaccessible, you write from a place of privilege: mobile platforms absolutely beat the shit out of any desktop computer on accessibility count, hands down, any people with some kind of disability will tell yo…

> Your Linux desktop that will readily allow sending your browser cache, ssh keys, family photos to anyone with a simple ‘npm install’, nothing at all preventing it?

That's why everyone is pushing for development in containers..

Re: 15 Years of Android Memories

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Post by Dah00n »

taspeotis wrote: post #17
anotheronelost wrote: post #3

Missing from 2014: pushed out Lollipop release to OG Nexus tablets, destroying performance, leaving only those technical enough to downgrade with any way to keep using the devices. 2023: pushed out Android 14 update, removing access to any additional profiles used on the devices. TBF they still have time to deal with this one, but their response so far has been terrible. And yet I still buy the damn things because th…

Don’t forget you can’t call emergency services if you had Microsoft Teams installed. Also you still can’t call emergency services due to some other bug? One year they forgot December existed in the Contacts app. Also wasn’t their permission model terrible from the start vs. iOS’ fine grained prompts?

>Don’t forget you can’t call emergency services if you had Microsoft Teams installed.

That was on Microsoft – not Google, though.

>Also you still can’t call emergency services due to some other bug?

FUD.

>Also wasn’t their permission model terrible from the start vs. iOS’ fine grained prompts?

If you want someone to tell you (read: decide for you and leave zero room for choice) what permissions are Good and which are Bad, then yes, iOS is much better. If you want to decide which permissions are Good and Bad, then no, Androids are much better.

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