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Um. It’s not. They have a free plan, but it’s subsidized by their paying customers.
I'm not saying Cloudflare is free I'm saying they don't charge bandwidth
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I'm not saying Cloudflare is free I'm saying they don't charge bandwidth
They are eating the costs, as a marketing ploy. It won’t be free forever. They’ve said as much in their press releases. Basically, they are trying to pressure AWS and friends to lower their egress fees. Once they’re lowered, they’ll start charging for it.
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They are eating the costs, as a marketing ploy. It won’t be free forever. They’ve said as much in their press releases. Basically, they are trying to pressure AWS and friends to lower their egress fees. Once they’re lowered, they’ll start charging for it.
Source? I'm incredibly skeptical that one day they will suddenly make a 180 and start charging for bandwidth
Remember when Uber used to be cheaper than a taxi? It's the same issue, different market; there is so much being subsidized by other money that if they ever run into any financial issues, hire the wrong executive, or simply get market dominance ... they'll shift this all to the customer.
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Source? I'm incredibly skeptical that one day they will suddenly make a 180 and start charging for bandwidth
I'd literally have to find the press releases from the day they announced R2, which kinda goes into depth on it a bit (and I can't find it). But logically, why wouldn't they do a 180? It has to be eating into their margins. Wholesale costs alone would estimate that it's eating 15-20% of their revenue. Remember when Uber used to be cheaper than a taxi? It's the same issue, different market; there is so much being subs…
By the way I say all of this as a Cloudflare Enterprise customer. I imagine you have a tiny fraction of the experience I do with Cloudflare and completely fail to understand the ramifications of what such a decision would entail on their business
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I'd literally have to find the press releases from the day they announced R2, which kinda goes into depth on it a bit (and I can't find it). But logically, why wouldn't they do a 180? It has to be eating into their margins. Wholesale costs alone would estimate that it's eating 15-20% of their revenue. Remember when Uber used to be cheaper than a taxi? It's the same issue, different market; there is so much being subs…
It's not going to happen and you're talking out your ass. Speculation is fine but let's not pretend like you have any source for your pet theories By the way I say all of this as a Cloudflare Enterprise customer. I imagine you have a tiny fraction of the experience I do with Cloudflare and completely fail to understand the ramifications of what such a decision would entail on their business
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Where’s the profitability in the DDoS service? Even free accounts have had massive DDoS attacks mitigated - for free. There is no pricing anywhere in their portfolio for DDoS mitigation or bandwidth. Cloudflare sells a lot of products but DDoS protection isn’t one of them. It’s a hook to get users on the platform to potentially upsell later but if all you need is DDoS protection they provide it for free.
Enterprise DDoS protection is their goddamn flagship product. The Cloudflare website just says “call us”. That’s all. And it’s because E&G deals aren’t made through a website. Read the 10-K before spouting off about what value creation a middleman provides, and how it captures that value as revenue. Consumer services are last on their list and given little space. Large customers are explicitly stated as Cloudflare’s…
What does this have to do with anything? Cloudflare understands their customers very well and if you need "Enterprise" functionality of course it's behind contact us - just like nearly any other "enterprise" tier with any solution.
> Read the 10-K before spouting off about what value creation a middleman provides, and how it captures that value as revenue.
The unwarranted hostility across your comment tells me you have personal issues with Cloudflare that are entering the discussion. That's fine, and you can use whatever you prefer/works for you.
> This is naive. As ever, if it’s free, that means you’re part of the product.
Again, unwarranted hostility. Cloudflare goes into depth explaining why they offer their free tier and relatively inexpensive plans until "Enterprise". In short, free is where they roll out changes in the architecture first to test them. This is fair. Additionally, because they get a lot of traffic with the free and inexpensive plans they are able to provide a better experience to all users across plans due to the significant amounts of traffic they are able to capture and analyze.
Comparing their approach with social media platforms grabbing eyeballs to attract advertising revenue is disingenuous at best.
> The clearest confirmation of this, however, is still Cloudflare going to all the time and trouble to wrangle together an industry collective - the so-called “bandwidth alliance” - for the express purpose of driving down settlement-based peering fees.
What is wrong with this? I've built networks, bought transit, done peering, etc. Cloudflare has excellent points with their "no egress charges" and bandwidth alliance. The obscene egress bandwidth markup from other providers is absurd. They clearly take advantage of people without the experience of peering, buying transit, etc who end up believing "that's just what bandwidth costs".
> They are not altruists.
I never said they were. Please show me a large and publicly traded company that is.
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It's not going to happen and you're talking out your ass. Speculation is fine but let's not pretend like you have any source for your pet theories By the way I say all of this as a Cloudflare Enterprise customer. I imagine you have a tiny fraction of the experience I do with Cloudflare and completely fail to understand the ramifications of what such a decision would entail on their business
Start searching dude: https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/press-releases/ . You lost my respect in this convo so I give zero fucks, believe in whatever you want to believe. Fairies, Monopoly money, whatever.
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Enterprise DDoS protection is their goddamn flagship product. The Cloudflare website just says “call us”. That’s all. And it’s because E&G deals aren’t made through a website. Read the 10-K before spouting off about what value creation a middleman provides, and how it captures that value as revenue. Consumer services are last on their list and given little space. Large customers are explicitly stated as Cloudflare’s…
> Enterprise DDoS protection is their goddamn flagship product. The Cloudflare website just says “call us”. That’s all. And it’s because E&G deals aren’t made through a website. What does this have to do with anything? Cloudflare understands their customers very well and if you need "Enterprise" functionality of course it's behind contact us - just like nearly any other "enterprise" tier with any solution. > Read the…
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Enterprise DDoS protection is their goddamn flagship product. The Cloudflare website just says “call us”. That’s all. And it’s because E&G deals aren’t made through a website. Read the 10-K before spouting off about what value creation a middleman provides, and how it captures that value as revenue. Consumer services are last on their list and given little space. Large customers are explicitly stated as Cloudflare’s…
> Enterprise DDoS protection is their goddamn flagship product. The Cloudflare website just says “call us”. That’s all. And it’s because E&G deals aren’t made through a website. What does this have to do with anything? Cloudflare understands their customers very well and if you need "Enterprise" functionality of course it's behind contact us - just like nearly any other "enterprise" tier with any solution. > Read the…
Mistaking bluntness for hostility is an error. Turning it into a vague ad hominem is a choice.
> Cloudflare goes into depth explaining why they offer their free tier
That seems credulous. Read financial statements, not puff pieces, to analyse and understand a company.