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US asks Qatar to 'turn down the volume' of Al Jazeera news coverage

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No, the US has picked the side of Israel, which is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. What Israel is doing is unjustifiable, even under the premise of "fighting Hamas."

From you point of view, what would be a justifiable response (by Israel and by the US) to the attack that was done by the Hamas on 7th of October?

I have always thought the principle of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth was grounded in a tradition of enormous gravitas.

Re: US asks Qatar to 'turn down the volume' of Al Jazeera news coverage

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the US has picked the side of Israel, which is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. What Israel is doing is unjustifiable, even under the premise of "fighting Hamas."

From you point of view, what would be a justifiable response (by Israel and by the US) to the attack that was done by the Hamas on 7th of October?

Figure out why the much hyped IDF professional forces got clowned on by Hamas would be where I’d start.

Bombing infrastructure, hospitals, and a dense city filled with civilians is not.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the US has picked the side of Israel, which is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. What Israel is doing is unjustifiable, even under the premise of "fighting Hamas."

From you point of view, what would be a justifiable response (by Israel and by the US) to the attack that was done by the Hamas on 7th of October?

I'm curious what your answer is to this same question.

Raz Segal, an israeli historian and expert in modern genocides has called this "a textbook case of genocide." Is this where you stand on it? Or is there some sort of middle ground between genocide and another thing you'd like to occupy?

I am honestly and genuinely curious.

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the US has picked the side of Israel, which is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. What Israel is doing is unjustifiable, even under the premise of "fighting Hamas."

From you point of view, what would be a justifiable response (by Israel and by the US) to the attack that was done by the Hamas on 7th of October?

I don't know, I'm not an Israeli general. But it wouldn't involve the intentional targeting of civilians, as Israel appears to be doing.

Beyond that is a rabbithole of decades of Israel/Palestine conflict, the Gaza strip, occupation of the West Bank and settlements that I really don't want to go down.

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Al Jazeera is a known mouthpiece of Hamas. They amplified the Hamas misinformation about that explosion in the hospital parking lot, caused by a missile fired by themselves, into a mass casualty event that never happened. They laundered Hamas propaganda and NYT and others then picked it up. Reuters "fact checked" the hundreds of killed at the music festival and said it didn't happen. Of course, their fact check looke…

> Reuters "fact checked" the hundreds of killed at the music festival and said it didn't happen. Of course, their fact check looked at the wrong images. This is such an absurd misreading of the situation that I can comfortably discount your other points without any further consideration. Reuters fact checked a specific video that was claiming to be people running from the festival, but was footage from a Bruno Mars c…

https://freebeacon.com/media/reuters-fact-check-suggests-isr...

Re: US asks Qatar to 'turn down the volume' of Al Jazeera news coverage

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> Reuters "fact checked" the hundreds of killed at the music festival and said it didn't happen. Of course, their fact check looked at the wrong images. This is such an absurd misreading of the situation that I can comfortably discount your other points without any further consideration. Reuters fact checked a specific video that was claiming to be people running from the festival, but was footage from a Bruno Mars c…

https://freebeacon.com/media/reuters-fact-check-suggests-isr...

>They weren’t [running for their lives]—at the Oct. 4 concert depicted in the video—but Reuters makes no mention of the fact that hundreds of Israelis were actually slaughtered at a concert three days later.

This is the dispute over the video.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From you point of view, what would be a justifiable response (by Israel and by the US) to the attack that was done by the Hamas on 7th of October?

I'm curious what your answer is to this same question. Raz Segal, an israeli historian and expert in modern genocides has called this "a textbook case of genocide." Is this where you stand on it? Or is there some sort of middle ground between genocide and another thing you'd like to occupy? I am honestly and genuinely curious.

I'm just an armchair expert.

I think it's clear - what was done before is not working (including 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza, humanitarian aid and donations). It's clear that Hamas are dark age scum that need to be dealt with force. It's also clear that most of the population of Gaza supports Hamas, and that Hamas will also will use them as body-shields.

Now, I was born in a 3rd world country and had to deal with a lot of scum. You can't have a conversation with people like those: any concessions you make - will be considered as a weakness and you will be pushed even more.

I don't support Israel in what they do, but I don't see any other options I would choose if I was them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what your answer is to this same question. Raz Segal, an israeli historian and expert in modern genocides has called this "a textbook case of genocide." Is this where you stand on it? Or is there some sort of middle ground between genocide and another thing you'd like to occupy? I am honestly and genuinely curious.

I'm just an armchair expert. I think it's clear - what was done before is not working (including 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza, humanitarian aid and donations). It's clear that Hamas are dark age scum that need to be dealt with force. It's also clear that most of the population of Gaza supports Hamas, and that Hamas will also will use them as body-shields. Now, I was born in a 3rd world country and had to deal…

Jesus fuck man it's a genocide get a grip. It's children. The median age is like 17, when you call these people "dark age scum" and call for their murder you're talking about kids. Coward shit.

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What a fucking horror. I will never forgive us for doing this.

I feel like I have to speak against the guilt you're referring to being unable to forgive. Collective guilt is only believed in by people who haven't thought through the horrific enormity of the implications and others who want them... it is also falsely implied by a partial reading of the scriptures. Yes, "the people of Israel" were lead into captivity or out of it together, but God used the Babylonians to save Jeremiah, and all of the poor in the area who were previously living innocently and with nothing got to take the vineyards and the farms, along with the prophet, who lived among them. Individual guilt can be synchronized by the same peer pressure forces as synchronize the movements in the histories of all sons of Adam equally. Nonetheless, it remains individual guilt even when it appears to rest on many people who did the same bad thing all at once.
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