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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by petertodd »

xkekjrktllss wrote: post #18
bawolff wrote: post #9

Dirupting enemy communications is a pretty standard goal of any army in a war. I'm more surprised it took this long.

the west had a different opinion on russia doing the same in ukraine

Because Russia's invasion is clearly illegal and immoral. Every act they do in furtherance of that goal is a crime. Every bullet fired, every cell phone tower and every power transformer destroyed.

Israel is clearly defending themselves against a genocidal adversary who just killed more Jews in one day than any day since the Holocaust. They have every right to invade Gaza to eliminate that threat.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by jacquesm »

petertodd wrote: post #10

> Taking Gaza completely off the grid while launching an unprecedented bombardment campaign only means something atrocious is about to happen. A war is happening of course. Communications are critical to military operations, and Hamas has been happy to use civilian infrastructure for military purposes. Of course Israel is going to destroy it all. Sure, Hamas can still use older tech like radios. But that's a huge win…

If Hamas really relied on internet then they wouldn't have succeeded in the first place.

What this will achieve:

- information supremacy re. what goes out of Gaza

- makes it harder for reporters to do their job

- makes it impossible for the people who happen to live there to stay in touch with the rest of the world

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by jacquesm »

petertodd wrote: post #32
jowea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen some speculation about the intelligence failure in not predicting the attack being related to Hamas avoiding the Internet for planning, and even deliberately sending false info on channels they knew were compromised.

...or Hamas just used modern encryption, which does work when implemented and used correctly. Merely using Signal consistently and correctly could very well be enough. There isn't an unlimited supply of over-the-air zero-day exploits.

That would still give a lot of meta data to analyze.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by logicchains »

jowea wrote: post #16
petertodd wrote: post #10

> Taking Gaza completely off the grid while launching an unprecedented bombardment campaign only means something atrocious is about to happen. A war is happening of course. Communications are critical to military operations, and Hamas has been happy to use civilian infrastructure for military purposes. Of course Israel is going to destroy it all. Sure, Hamas can still use older tech like radios. But that's a huge win…

I've seen some speculation about the intelligence failure in not predicting the attack being related to Hamas avoiding the Internet for planning, and even deliberately sending false info on channels they knew were compromised.

I read they had a wire network of telephones in the tunnels under Gaza.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by defrost »

fortran77 wrote: post #35
culi wrote: post #33

Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

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Which is both deplorable and fails to justify the killing of innocents.

I've dug bodies out of bombed buildings and am no fan of real life bloodied and burned bodies - whether the cause is Hamas, Israel, or an earthquake.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by romafirst3 »

petertodd wrote: post #10

> Taking Gaza completely off the grid while launching an unprecedented bombardment campaign only means something atrocious is about to happen. A war is happening of course. Communications are critical to military operations, and Hamas has been happy to use civilian infrastructure for military purposes. Of course Israel is going to destroy it all. Sure, Hamas can still use older tech like radios. But that's a huge win…

There is no war going on. Wars happen between nations and between armies.

Whatever this is it is not a war.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by omnimus »

fortran77 wrote: post #35
culi wrote: post #33

Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

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Somebody is confusing Hamas with Palestinian civilians.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by bhouston »

petertodd wrote: post #10

> Taking Gaza completely off the grid while launching an unprecedented bombardment campaign only means something atrocious is about to happen. A war is happening of course. Communications are critical to military operations, and Hamas has been happy to use civilian infrastructure for military purposes. Of course Israel is going to destroy it all. Sure, Hamas can still use older tech like radios. But that's a huge win…

Israel has the cell phones complete penetrated by their intelligence. Hamas wasn't using that technology. This is why Israel missed the warning signs of the October 7th attack. This unfortunately is mostly to keep the media from covering what is going down.
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