Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

coryzue.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 347 posts

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#221

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

function_seven wrote: post #106
Retric wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reputation is still valuable over time. Some YouTube creators I ignore irregardless of the thumbnail, while other content creators get a click automatically. The same happens with websites and everywhere else in the attention economy.

> while other content creators get a click automatically. A number of times now Youtube has shown me a video recommendation that I ignored for days. The thumbnail with that stupid "gobsmacked" expression of the creator (:-O) with some dumb headline in big block letters ("IS GRAVITY A LIE?"). You know what I'm talking about. Then I finally get around to looking at it closer, and it turns out it's one of my favorite ch…

I have a tendency to ignore anything with strong wording as I know I can't trust the intentions of the author.

When you DO click on them they're almost always the most mundane things imaginable.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#222

Post by bee_rider »

w10-1 wrote: post #210
the_snooze wrote: post #26

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

fyi, I can't get used to the term me*space. I can hardly type it. It articulates a level of contempt for humanity that can only be borne of complete dissociation or deep hatred. I know that's not how it's meant, but I really, really encourage people to avoid using the term. Strangely, I don't feel the same way when some wisdom traditions remind us that we are mortal (a bag of bones comes to mind), or in response to a…

I read it as sort of self-deprecating, a sort of acknowledgment that the speaker is so very online that they think of the physical world their body inhabits as something that explicitly needs to be called out.

I think it is quite funny and want to encourage people to use the term.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#223

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

Retric wrote: post #141
oangemangut wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some content creators I click on _despite_ them having to do the click-bait stupid YouTube thumbnails. As an aside - word you may have been looking for is irrespective, or perhaps just plain old regardless. irregardless is not a word.

It’s been in common use for well over 100 years before you where born. There’s beating a dead horse, and there’s railing about the injustice of it all in the shadow of a great oak growing over the horses grave.

oh snap, I love that analogy.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#224

Post by wierd-eye-loser »

w10-1 wrote: post #210
the_snooze wrote: post #26

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

fyi, I can't get used to the term me*space. I can hardly type it. It articulates a level of contempt for humanity that can only be borne of complete dissociation or deep hatred. I know that's not how it's meant, but I really, really encourage people to avoid using the term. Strangely, I don't feel the same way when some wisdom traditions remind us that we are mortal (a bag of bones comes to mind), or in response to a…

[dead]

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#225

Post by passion__desire »

ceejayoz wrote: post #200
passion__desire wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Community Notes corrects for atleast factual claims right away. I have seen it on ads of products where the product is free and the Community Notes said the product is free only for a week. Here's a thing about fake outrage, for an outrage to be effective the opinion expressed in the tweet multiples the fact vector by a million, but community notes effectively deflates the opinion if it tries to do that. A person get…

> Community Notes corrects for atleast factual claims right away. No, it doesn't. It's vote-based; enough people have to vote that it's a helpful vote for it to appear. That can take hours/days/weeks.

It's not opinion or votes all the way down. The corrections have to be referenced. So if someone is misrepresenting a fact, it will be community noted and votes will accumulate as all that remains to do is verify the referenced source.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#226

Post by tracerbulletx »

I'm not convinced there is less high quality, highly authentic content, there's a ton, but there just are no longer gate keepers or limiters and everything is mixed together. Instead of skipping past the tabloids at the grocery aisle, that stuff is alongside a brilliant essay in a youtube stream or next to a picture from your mom.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#227

Post by arnorhs »

Yes, browsing twitter these days feels like walking into a toy store where you can buy anything in the store, but everything in it is sold in exchange for time/attention.

The main problem is just the for you feed. Usually I'll mostly get posts from people I know IRL, but browsing a bit down you just get all these viral posts that are super interesting, but I don't have the time/attention to devote into bringing those toys home.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#228

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

pif wrote: post #81
Enginerrrd wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the ugly truth of it is, just like there's a noticeable difference between shopping at costco and shopping at walmart (because of the annual fee at costco), there's just some people that are going to have an undesirable influence on your community. The temptation to try and rope in those extra users is often irresistible but to get them you have to tank your content to appeal to the lowest common denominator.…

> difference between shopping at costco and shopping at walmart Could someone please explain to me what is implied here? I've been to the USA only once, and I didn't visit neither a Costco nor a Walmart. The only difference I could point to between them, is that no "Costco people" phenomenon exists on YouTube. Sincere thanks in advance!

I think most of the other posters are missing it.

Walmart is known for having ... characters in its stores. Think severely obese woman wearing a bikini. Walmart will let anyone in and anyone includes some wild people because wild people exist.

Costco requires a yearly membership and a contract. If you come sauntering in wearing assless chaps you're likely to get kicked out, your contract revoked, and being unable to ever shop there again.

The comparison being made was trying for a specific audience and excluding those outside of that audience (Costco) vs trying to appeal to as large an audience as possible, which means accepting things that most people wouldn't otherwise accept (Walmart).

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#229

Post by sogen »

Gud wrote: post #199

I think by now the most efficient social media would be an endless doom scroll with sub 5 second videos that the viewer gets to like or dislike to train the algorithm. No thinking, just flashing lights straight into the brain. I'm sure this is what the kids will be watching in 2-10 years. Total mindless entertainment. I'd develop it myself and get rich, if I didn't have a conscience.

For investors slap on some buzzwords such as YOLO, NFTs, ASMR, Cambridge Analytica, Elon, Bezos and boom! to the moon baby!

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#230

Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hotnfresh wrote: post #181
pif wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> difference between shopping at costco and shopping at walmart Could someone please explain to me what is implied here? I've been to the USA only once, and I didn't visit neither a Costco nor a Walmart. The only difference I could point to between them, is that no "Costco people" phenomenon exists on YouTube. Sincere thanks in advance!

Walmart shoppers are uniquely incapable of existing in an area without being in the way. I've not experienced anything like it in any other store. It's like they're constantly trying to take up as much space as possible. Between that and Walmart having narrower aisles than most stores, the place feels busy even when there aren't many people in it. Also, the workers and shoppers alike all seem depressed, which is anot…

> Between that and Walmart having narrower aisles than most stores, the place feels busy even when there aren't many people in it.

It's not just the stores, the parking lots are like that too. I won't refuse to go to wal-mart, but unless I'm lazy or it's an emergency, I will absolutely drive by one to shop at Target, Best Buy, etc.

Post reply on HN