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The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#131
Social media is a lesson for all of us that sometimes the cost of something isn't readily apparent. It reminds me of Cowslip's Warren in Watership Down - apparently healthy and safe rabbits welcoming in others, with a mortal danger that isn't obvious and somewhat overlooked.

Thankfully we are at that stage with social (and other) media where Bigwig gets caught in a snare and narrowly escapes, and I can look around me and see my fellow people getting caught in these traps. For some people it is too late, for anyone who knows people who have gone too far down the youtube algorithm (like my mother) will know they aren't easily rescued.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#132

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

Authenticity online USED to come somewhat naturally by virtue of just... starting communities. The reason was that the web was small, and discovery process was more random - that is, less systematic. As a consequence, you almost couldn't help but start forums or blogs or content platforms with hundreds to low thousands of participants. And because those communities were smaller, you were that much more engaged. You recognized the names of the people posting, and understood their brand. So online authenticity used to exist without having to merely import meatspace directly.

But the interesting thing is that there's still nothing that makes it fundamentally impossible to start a relatively small forum nowadays. And there are plenty of those small communities that still exist! And yet... somehow, that's just not good enough, is it? We are all still constantly complaining about the attention economy and the performative nature of online communication. So what gives?

To me, what this says is that it's not good enough for small-band, high authenticity communication to exist. It also needs to be true that broadband, inauthentic communication NOT exist. The simple truth, I think, is that it annoys us when things we don't like manage to capture lots of attention. When you see something you disagree with gathering momentum, it _grates_. There is something fundamental about that; "get over it" isn't going to solve this.

You saw this happen with Reddit: slowly, the most popular subreddits became bigger and bigger cesspits. People always suggested that the way around this was to just ignore the popular stuff and find smaller subreddits to enjoy. But it just never resonated with people as a solution. Ignoring the popular subreddits as a lost cause feels like putting your head in the sand. Don't bother trying to explain to me that you can't fix discourse all by yourself, or that there's no sense in sweating what the front page of reddit looks like. You're not arguing with me! You're arguing with the millions of people's inner id, who see that front page and twitch a little bit.

I think this might speak to some human need to assert our own view of the world and reject untruths that we've already ourselves debunked. When you see somebody pronouncing an old thing you _used_ to believe, your impulse is to warn that person "oh no, I can see why you'd think that, but it's actually more complicated than that for reasons x, y and z." But imagine that you see somebody drowning in falsity and before you can reach them to disabuse them of their misapprehension, thousands and thousands of people crowd around them, agreeing and cheering! And then, before you can push through the crowd and take the podium, they all disperse into the void. You can't call them all back and explain that they just walked away with the wrong information... they're just.. gone. Gone, carrying the virus of bad ideas out into the aether, now sure to awaken somewhere else, like wack-a-mole. Something about human nature finds this situation insufferable. But the twittersphere is perfectly designed to make it _the only way we communicate_!

To bring it home, I think our need to right wrongs is what doesn't scale. We can't all convince everybody of our own world view, but globally networked, systematically visible communication baits us into doing exactly that. Once pandora's box is opened, we can't ignore the temptation to participate, nor can we ignore the constant insult of participating.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#133

Community Notes is the best feature. I wonder why wouldn't original Twitter implement it. Maybe it would deflate the bias they wanted to project on the rest of us.

> Maybe it would deflate the bias they wanted to project on the rest of us. I think that an important thing to understand is that social media generally doesn't project a single bias . It is more dangerous: it creates bubbles that encompass groups of people and then mine their minds for attention. This results in polarization, increased rage, and fake outrage, and the like. So it isn't really helpful to complain that…

Community Notes corrects for atleast factual claims right away. I have seen it on ads of products where the product is free and the Community Notes said the product is free only for a week. Here's a thing about fake outrage, for an outrage to be effective the opinion expressed in the tweet multiples the fact vector by a million, but community notes effectively deflates the opinion if it tries to do that. A person getting community noted, in my mind at least, means is ill-informed and not to be trusted.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#134
post #33

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

To me there’s a difference between better content and engaging content. Better content seeks quality connections that may scale so far. Engaging content seeks quantity of connections. Of course this could be further argued. Maybe the better and engagement is interpreted to mean too distribution in quantity focused. Edit:typo

Blog posts remain a holdout on the relation between quality and connection count. In this link-wary modern web, every link counts.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some content creators I click on _despite_ them having to do the click-bait stupid YouTube thumbnails. As an aside - word you may have been looking for is irrespective, or perhaps just plain old regardless. irregardless is not a word.

> irregardless is not a word. Lots of dictionaries disagree. But not me! I'll join you on this hill, regardless of what those dumb dictionaries say. The misuse of "literally" and the common use of "irregardless" are the red pills that have turned me into a crotchety old ... prescriptivist .

People say that people use literally to mean figuratively now which is literally the opposite of literally, but I've literally never seen someone use literally to mean figuratively. I have often seen it used to hyperbolize the strength of analogies or generalizations, which means they apply literally somewhat figuratively, but that doesn't mean that they literally mean for literally to mean figuratively.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#136
post #43

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

I agree 100% with what you are saying, but I don't think you need a human connection to have good content. The encyclopedia Brittanica didn't establish a human connection, but it was a valuable resource. An ugly problem with an attention economy is that you are rewarded for seeming useful and interesting, but once the attention has been given, there is no incentive to actually deliver. So we get clickbait headlines a…

None of this is really new. People have sought low-quality high-dopamine content since television was the main medium. Since the spread of radio. Since the development of novels. Probably the beginning of the printing press, writing, or hell, storytelling and spoken language itself.

Each new medium provides more power to dive into this, and each generation panics that we've crossed a never-before-crossed line. And they're correct.

But the problem lies within us as humans. Lightweight diversionary content is just what the majority of us want, and have always wanted. But not 100% of us. Content that's deep, thoughtful, educational, and useful is still being created and consumed at record scales.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some content creators I click on _despite_ them having to do the click-bait stupid YouTube thumbnails. As an aside - word you may have been looking for is irrespective, or perhaps just plain old regardless. irregardless is not a word.

> irregardless is not a word. Lots of dictionaries disagree. But not me! I'll join you on this hill, regardless of what those dumb dictionaries say. The misuse of "literally" and the common use of "irregardless" are the red pills that have turned me into a crotchety old ... prescriptivist .

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Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#138

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

All i can say to this comment is 'lol meat space' I think we should use this principle in more places than talking about twitter. There's just so much nuance of people interacting we take for granted.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#139
Some thoughts:

> Megathreads about AI, thoughtful, longform narratives that could have been blog posts...

Honestly, the long form tweets became a signal to just ignore that tweet. I unfollow or block users that tweet long form often.

> The people in my feed—most of whom I’m not following, by the way—

Yea, just use the chrono-tab ("following"). Only usable version of Twitter.

> love posting for engagement. Some of them love it so much that they offer courses teaching other people how to do it—which amplifies this godforsaken death spiral even further.

This is so bizarre to watch.

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I think Twitter is usable only if you stick to the chronological tab which has only your follows and putting non-trivial effort to clean your follows periodically. Unfollow and block people aggressively. Outrage-focused account? Blocked. Grift? Unfollow/block. Random-ass comment pushing some political angle? Block. I block even people that don't share follows if I got to see a tweet I just don't like.

Social media generates a lot of waste, and good platforms provide a way for you to remove the waste from your experience. Otherwise, the end state of these types of networks is LinkedIn: a useful tool hidden beneath the massive pile of social media waste.

Even ChatGPT can generate generic LinkedIn grift: https://chat.openai.com/share/3585085b-5407-4d48-b6e3-12d3cb...

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

#140

>And yes, on the surface this incentivizes people to create better content. The better your content is, the more it gets seen, and the more money you make. And yet, my felt experience of this change is the exact opposite—as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? It always tickles me when terminally online people realize that human connection doesn't scale . It's valuable precisel…

> as people seek more engagement, their content gets worse. What’s going on here? This is a well observed trend where appealing to a broader audience makes the content worse. People, as individuals, are unique and therefore interesting. Appealing to more than one person relies on what those people have in common. The more people you try to reach, the less in common they all have. If the content is going to speak to w…

I am very interested in your take. When Michelangelo sculpted the Pietà, the pain it expressed was a feeling that many people had shared, so it became culture.

But when a teenager makes a tiktok about the pain of being rejected by their crush, and it's a feeling many people have shared, and many people like it, that's basic, vague and shallow.

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