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Food and Generative AI

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Re: Food and Generative AI

#11

Curious to hear people's thoughts on AI applications in the food space.

I run a recipe management website for my friends and family as personal passion project: https://letscooktime.com. People eat with their eyes. You *need* good images. Traditionally this meant expensive food photography, but now you can use AI to generate images. The challenge is that the image may not look like the real meal, but anyway 90% of people scrolling by won't make the recipe anyway so that's probably acceptable!

Re: Food and Generative AI

#12

Curious to hear people's thoughts on AI applications in the food space.

I think something like the recipe generator that suggested mixing dangerous chemicals into cocktails is going to be a problem for any AI application in this space:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/08/ai-po...

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#14

I used Hello Fresh for a year, not sure if recipe variety was my problem. I think there's a lot of other possibilities to use LLMs in that product though, e.g. to help users express complex preferences, or to create best menus and schedules out of existing recipes. I'd say tampering with recipes would be the worst part of the AI integration. I think it's unfortunate that businesses look into using AI for something es…

I tried hello fresh. Unpacking a meal to find a fast food-sized mayonnaise packet as ingredient made me feel deeply sad

Tbh I understand this, it did feel like a lot of plastic waste being left around. But I think it'd be an impossible logistical problem to avoid this in the foreseeable future

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#15
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried hello fresh. Unpacking a meal to find a fast food-sized mayonnaise packet as ingredient made me feel deeply sad

Why? Are you going to make your own mayonnaise for 2 tablespoons?

I'm not who you're replying to, but have experienced the same sadness when using meal kits. Why?

- This company and its supply chain went to the trouble of packaging a single serving of mayonnaise for me to personally discard as my token contribution to waste. Sure, an extra mayo packet won't make a difference, but simply not caring feels bad, you know?

- I have a jar of mayo in the fridge. I didn't even need this.

- Come to think of it, everything in this meal kit is wrapped in packaging that may well outlive me, depending on where it ends up. All for one meal's worth of food that I could have obtained more cheaply, less wastefully, and with more control over customization had I mustered the effort to plan ahead.

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#16
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried hello fresh. Unpacking a meal to find a fast food-sized mayonnaise packet as ingredient made me feel deeply sad

Why?

Maybe its irrational, but some people feel bad about creating a lot of plastic waste for one meal.

Re: Food and Generative AI

#17
post #7

I feel like generating recipe ideas/titles is the easy part, and advanced AI techniques are not necessary. Even the article notes that there is not really any difference between 1 round of training and 40 rounds of training with their model. Actually generating a recipe is obviously much harder, and should be effectively impossible unless you include a humanoid robot that can cook and taste. I think the best you coul…

One problem I have is recipe clustering by ingredients. I want to minimize the different ingredients I need to buy so I can get some economies of scale while shopping. I don't know of any service that does this, I have been thinking about building it for my website but I haven't figure out what is a good UI for it.

Re: Food and Generative AI

#18
post #7

I feel like generating recipe ideas/titles is the easy part, and advanced AI techniques are not necessary. Even the article notes that there is not really any difference between 1 round of training and 40 rounds of training with their model. Actually generating a recipe is obviously much harder, and should be effectively impossible unless you include a humanoid robot that can cook and taste. I think the best you coul…

There was a really nice post on doing this kind of thing with CRF back in 2015 [0]. Open source data, and code on github. Also a nice tutorial on structured prediction using CRF type models.

Would be interesting if you could prompt, LoRA distill, or use modern LLM tricks against a well-labeled and curated set, similar to how other tagging problems are handled with modern pretrained models.

[0] https://open.nytimes.com/our-tagged-ingredients-data-is-now-...

Re: Food and Generative AI

#19
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Are you going to make your own mayonnaise for 2 tablespoons?

I'm not who you're replying to, but have experienced the same sadness when using meal kits. Why? - This company and its supply chain went to the trouble of packaging a single serving of mayonnaise for me to personally discard as my token contribution to waste. Sure, an extra mayo packet won't make a difference, but simply not caring feels bad, you know? - I have a jar of mayo in the fridge. I didn't even need this. -…

Would it be better if there used biodegradable plastics?

Re: Food and Generative AI

#20

I used Hello Fresh for a year, not sure if recipe variety was my problem. I think there's a lot of other possibilities to use LLMs in that product though, e.g. to help users express complex preferences, or to create best menus and schedules out of existing recipes. I'd say tampering with recipes would be the worst part of the AI integration. I think it's unfortunate that businesses look into using AI for something es…

As someone with a few allergies, I effectively had to throw away and replace a third to half of the ingredients in every Hello Fresh meal. That's the #1 reason I stopped using it. An AI should be able to know what to substitute to make the whole kit edible for me.
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