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Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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While I applaud how much OpenAi fears these negatives, given the current state of Ai trajectory, it won't be long until a future open source model gets "uncensored" and is easily usable for tons and tons of malicious intent. There already exists a fantastic "uncensored" model with the newly released Dolphin Mistral 7b. I saw some results from others where the model could easily give explosives recipes from existing p…

Information should be free, uncensored and unconstrained by relentless and relentlessly varied political puritanism. I have no problem with an internet that contains "racist poems" (in quotes because of some of the absolutely idiotic, absurd modern definitions of racism) explosives recipes and so forth. If anything, it reminds me of the internet we all had much more freely just a couple decades ago.

As long as the fundamental tenet of free expression is somehow preserved in the world going forward, i'm content to let ostensibly free individuals share information without thinking that everything they feel like sharing for whatever reasons needs to be put before a censoriously anxious eye towards how some random authoritarian tendency is going to view it. This by itself is fundamentally a good thing. It's opposite is a grotesque deformity of a powerful ideal that perhaps used to mean more in the past than it does in today's tacitly paranoid world of needing to conform.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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I'm skeptical that they really believe this. You have to believe: (1) We are on the verge of equaling or greatly exceeding human intelligence generally . (2) We are on the verge of creating something with initiative, free will (whatever that means), and planning ability. Or alternately that these things will occur in an emergent fashion once we hit some critical mass. (3) When we accomplish 1 and 2, this thing will i…

Asking everyone to publish general results or reports would make it very easy for actors/nations to have a "hit list" of groups to bug/steal from to "keep up" with competing groups/nations.

I don’t think information technology can be ITARed. It’s too easy to move around. See how successful countries have been containing encryption or how well the US’s drive to keep China from fabricating at the smallest process nodes is going.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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> AGI is arguably already here. What is the evidence/argument that it's already here?

The "general" and "intelligence" terms are really badly defined in ways that can include GPT-3. So far as I can tell, 3.5 "knows" more than I do about everything except software engineering, maths, and events that happened after it stopped learning (and also possibly how to avoid clichés when writing short stories, but that might just be me not prompting it well as I don't really want it to do my hobby for me and the…

>So far as I can tell, 3.5 "knows" more than I do about everything except software engineering, maths, and events that happened after it stopped learning

It's amazing how much of this wide eyed woo nonsense about LLM AI a surprising number of people on this site argue. It's as if focusing one's career and interests on computation makes some people terrible at noting fundamental and obvious details of what it is to be human.

By your definition of what makes 3.5 and similar LLMs "intelligent", an online interactive encyclopedia must be smart too. It obviously "knows" lots of stuff no one human being does. The big addition with these LLMs is the programmed ability to synthesize retrieved information into plausibly human-like conversation. Well damn, skynet must be here!

You're forgetting that there's no entirely self-directed agency or minimal sense of self behind any of this, and hand waving aside, no evidence whatsoever of the sentience they're necessary ingredients of. The dumbest, most uneducated semi-adult human can fully self direct in their own unpredictable ways to do all kinds of things that no GPT manifestation is capable of in any way. This is obvious.

These stochastic parrots seem to have turned many otherwise non-stupid people into irrational believers of something that's plainly not the case in the real world.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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I'm skeptical that they really believe this. You have to believe: (1) We are on the verge of equaling or greatly exceeding human intelligence generally . (2) We are on the verge of creating something with initiative, free will (whatever that means), and planning ability. Or alternately that these things will occur in an emergent fashion once we hit some critical mass. (3) When we accomplish 1 and 2, this thing will i…

Oh, they believe it. (1) AGI is arguably already here. "Generality" and being extremely dangerous don't require an AGI to have better analogs to every single human skill anymore than aliens do. A space-faring usurper can evaporate Earthlings while being shitty at chess and badminton. Oh, and these AIs are getting better daily , across many modalities. (2) Systems like this already exist. They can be induced rather th…

>(2) Systems like this already exist. They can be induced rather than emergent.

No they don't and no LLM we've seen has anything resembling free will. Emergent or induced, it's not even the case. Saying it is right now based on any measurable evidence is a case of just ignoring evidence and using bad reasoning.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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While it is a joke, I assume, I think it hints at a crucial problem: it's relatively easy to imagine an Auto-GPT-style agent with some sort of CLI access on an internet-connected machine turning into a paperclip machine, no matter how harmless the original task.

That’s not necessarily a joke. Nobody outside of OpenAI knows how advanced the bleeding edge systems actually are. And nobody inside of OpenAI is talking about it. And obviously how advanced their future AI has become is going to be one of the most closely guarded trade secrets in the world if it hasn’t already. So while it might’ve been intended as social commentary or humor, it is a valid concern. Be great fodder f…

> current publicly available systems, and those systems will always be very, very far away from the cutting edge.

This is not obvious to me. there is heavy competition from megacaps, and money to be made before opensource (and closedest source (the spies)catches up).

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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It's a bug bounty program. Pretty standard.

I am not sure if this is a bug bounty program because only the top 10 participants receive the "bounty" and the instructions are pretty vague compared to e.g., https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/msrc/bounty-hyper-v?rtc=1 .

Good point.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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post #150

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The "general" and "intelligence" terms are really badly defined in ways that can include GPT-3. So far as I can tell, 3.5 "knows" more than I do about everything except software engineering, maths, and events that happened after it stopped learning (and also possibly how to avoid clichés when writing short stories, but that might just be me not prompting it well as I don't really want it to do my hobby for me and the…

>So far as I can tell, 3.5 "knows" more than I do about everything except software engineering, maths, and events that happened after it stopped learning It's amazing how much of this wide eyed woo nonsense about LLM AI a surprising number of people on this site argue. It's as if focusing one's career and interests on computation makes some people terrible at noting fundamental and obvious details of what it is to be…

Let's break this one down:

> By your definition of what makes 3.5 and similar LLMs "intelligent", an online interactive encyclopedia must be smart too. It obviously "knows" lots of stuff no one human being does. The big addition with these LLMs is the programmed ability to synthesize retrieved information into plausibly human-like conversation. Well damn, skynet must be here!

> You're forgetting that there's no entirely self-directed agency or minimal sense of self behind any of this, and hand waving aside, no evidence whatsoever of the sentience they're necessary ingredients of. The dumbest, most uneducated semi-adult human can fully self direct in their own unpredictable ways to do all kinds of things that no GPT manifestation is capable of in any way. This is obvious.

1. What interactive encyclopedia? I don't know of any that are even remotely like an LLM.

2. LLMs were not given the "programmed ability to synthesize retrieved information into plausibly human-like conversation", they learned it from human conversation.

3. I'm not "forgetting" the question of self-directed agency or sense of self or sentience, I dispute they're necessary. What seems to matter to me for almost every question[0] is the capabilities, not any inner experience they may or may not have.

3a. Define "self-directed agency".

3b. Define "sense of self".

3c. Define "sentience".

4. Re "The dumbest, most uneducated semi-adult human" — that's remarkably brash of you, so I'll hold you to it: within the specific domain of "written text"[1], name one task that at least half of 18 year old humans with IQ 85 (by definition 15.9% of the population have lower) can do, that GPT-4 [2] can't do.

(There may or may not be such a task, I don't know; the challenge remains, as you seem to think this is too obvious to have bothered citing anything).

[0] exceptions: "should they have rights" and "does a mind upload count as a way to cheat death", neither of which matters in the context of the linked OpenAI challenge etc.

[1] 3.5 is not even trying to be anything more than that!

[2] you did write "no GPT manifestation is capable of in any way" so I feel justified in this case, even though that would otherwise be a goalpost-shift.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

#159

While I applaud how much OpenAi fears these negatives, given the current state of Ai trajectory, it won't be long until a future open source model gets "uncensored" and is easily usable for tons and tons of malicious intent. There already exists a fantastic "uncensored" model with the newly released Dolphin Mistral 7b. I saw some results from others where the model could easily give explosives recipes from existing p…

It's not about protecting society from negatives, it's about protecting the brand from being associated with controversy. OpenAI is still far too young and fragile a brand to survive news cycles that blame it for controversial happenings. I'm sure there are some researchers and engineers who imagine themselves making heroic efforts to "protect society" (ugh), but the money behind them is just looking out for its own…

It's also about making the case for licensing requirements for creating/using such models, which is the only way openAI is going to build a moat.

Re: OpenAI Preparedness Challenge

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That’s not necessarily a joke. Nobody outside of OpenAI knows how advanced the bleeding edge systems actually are. And nobody inside of OpenAI is talking about it. And obviously how advanced their future AI has become is going to be one of the most closely guarded trade secrets in the world if it hasn’t already. So while it might’ve been intended as social commentary or humor, it is a valid concern. Be great fodder f…

> current publicly available systems, and those systems will always be very, very far away from the cutting edge. This is not obvious to me. there is heavy competition from megacaps, and money to be made before opensource (and closedest source (the spies)catches up).

https://www.wired.com/story/fast-forward-ai-powerful-secreti...

https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/04/11/5113/the-dark-se...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secret-history-of-ai-and-a-...

What I’m saying is hardly controversial. As Christopher Mims wrote:

> If you’re worried that artificial intelligence will transform your job, insinuate itself into your daily routines, or lead to wars fought with lethal autonomous systems, you’re a little late—all of those things have already come to pass.

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